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AIBU?

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Original poster

Who’s in the right?!

213 replies

wonderwoman26 · 23/02/2022 08:07

I will try and explain as clear as I can

To get into my car park for work you have to turn right off a main road and straight into the opening for the car park. There is a path/cycle Lane either side of the opening.

For the second time this morning, the same cyclist has not stopped to see if the coast is clear to cycle across the turning, meaning I have had to slam my brakes on/he’s swerved to miss me. This means I’ve had to stop dead in the middle of the other side of the road to ensure I don’t hit him.

Am I right in thinking cars have the right of way turning in and cyclists should wait on the path until it’s clear?

Tempted not to bloody stop next time. Grrrrr

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DropYourSword · 23/02/2022 12:11

@wonderwoman26

Can I also be clear - both times I have already initiated the turn before he’s got to the opening, so I have started to turn first before he attempts to cross. Yet he still chooses not to stop
So...you could see them approaching?
Momicrone · 23/02/2022 12:17

Why do cars hate stopping so much

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wonderwoman26 · 23/02/2022 12:44

Okay update:

So as I was coming out of the car park for lunch I did a thorough checking of the turning.

There is indeed a cycle Lane, that has one of those little triangles at the end of the path to signal stop/end I am guessing, although I am sure I’ll be corrected if it means something else. It then turns into a road to allow entrance to the car park and returns to a cycle lane the other side.

Irrelevant of all this, the carpark was obviously designed/created before disregarding any Highway Code laws as the entire carpark is surrounded by a 5ft brick wall, meaning the path is not visible from the carpark.
You have to physically pull out of the carpark and stop directly in the cyclists line to be able to view either anyone on the path or any vehicles coming either side of the road.
But it’s always fab to know that even if a cyclist was to drive into the side of my car whilst I was edging forward to see round the corner, it would still be my fault

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SugarAndCoffee · 23/02/2022 12:49

They are idiots then that means stop/give way

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wonderwoman26 · 23/02/2022 12:50

@Escargooooooo

Ok, so I have no idea about right of way, but I do clearly understand the set up, so maybe if I explain it more clearly than OP, someone can say who has the right of way?....

OP is making a right hand turn, into her car park, which is via the opening of a junction into an industrial estate. On that side of the road is a cycle lane (on the road, not on the pavement). However, the lane is not continuous. It stops at one side of the mouth of the junction, and the reinstates the other side. So the junction bit OP drives through/into doesn't have a lane.

Should the cyclist be stopping as his lane terminates to allow traffic to pass into the junction, or is his right of way inherent, lane or not?

Genuinely no idea myself, although, I would assume that the car does not have right of way.

Also, noting from OPs diagram, the direction of the cyclist...is he riding the wrong way up the cycle lane? Surely if he's going the same initial direction as OP, he should be on the same side of the road as she is? I think that makes a difference, I wouldn't be looking behind me for traffic going the wrong way up a road.

I suppose yes technically he is riding against the oncoming traffic
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wonderwoman26 · 23/02/2022 12:55

@SugarAndCoffee

They are idiots then that means stop/give way
Hold on!!!! Does that mean I’m not ‘vile, murderous, entitled, arrogant, moronic, a dangerous driver’ after all?!

Ps - not aimed at you @SugarAndCoffee just trying to make another (I’m sure will be taken awfully!) joke :D

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SugarAndCoffee · 23/02/2022 13:02

@wonderwoman26 ha glad I read on I was like hang on I never said that!

Some people are more concerned about their bloody strata time than their safety

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wonderwoman26 · 23/02/2022 13:05

@SugarAndCoffee i have obviously drip fed slightly as I can’t evaluate the junctions/paths/cycles lanes whilst trying to right turn and not kill speedy cyclists - but the jumping to conclusions on this post without knowing the area is nothing short of hilarious.

As I said either way entering or exiting the car park is a giant hazard, teamed with the cycle path being the opposite side of the road and heavy traffic it’s an accident waiting to happen

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TooBored1 · 23/02/2022 13:05

@wonderwoman26

That is absolutely mental. I hate cyclists at the best of times but given he’s safer on the path then I am in the road, that decision baffles me
You are unreasonable for this alone. And threatening to not stop next time? Criminal.
incognitoforthisone · 23/02/2022 13:06

@wonderwoman26

Okay I’ll accept it appear via Highway Code that I am in the wrong.

However in both instances with this cyclist I believe he’s been going way way to fast and using his newly given power to abuse

Regardless of which, he still has the right of way, and you are still in the wrong.
Notjustanymum · 23/02/2022 13:07

YABU, unless the cycle lane has a stop line on the ground each side of the car park entrance, and with the latest changes to the Highway Code, even this doesn’t give you right of way now…

Blossom64265 · 23/02/2022 13:08

You aren’t supposed to initiate the turn unless the incoming cyclist won’t have to stop. Think of it as turning into the path of an oncoming car? Would you do that? No. You wouldn’t. You know you need to wait for traffic to clear. It’s the same with the cyclist, the cyclist is a vehicle and you need to wait.

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wonderwoman26 · 23/02/2022 13:09

Criminal? Hahahah give it a rest my gosh.

Can’t wait to do time for making a joke - wonder how long I’ll get

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luckylavender · 23/02/2022 13:10

@wonderwoman26

That is absolutely mental. I hate cyclists at the best of times but given he’s safer on the path then I am in the road, that decision baffles me
You definitely need to revisit the HC. And hating cyclists is a bit strong.
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wonderwoman26 · 23/02/2022 13:10

So what I’m hearing is the path tells him he should of stopped via the old Highway Code.
But the new Highway Code says he has right of way.

So I have to guess which Highway Code they are going to abide by as the road markings are still there informing him to stop at wait.

Makes sense

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luckylavender · 23/02/2022 13:12

OP - AIBU? Largely - Yes. OP - but, but, but. Why ask the question?

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wonderwoman26 · 23/02/2022 13:12

Ps - hats off to those who manage their time so well they are able to catch up on the changing laws of the Highway Code. Wish my time management was that effective

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luckylavender · 23/02/2022 13:13

@wonderwoman26

Thank you everyone for your helpful comments, I believe the Highway Code has changed fairly recently and seeing as I don’t regularly read updated rules and regulations books I was out of the loop.

To those who have used it as a post to vent out from their shitty mornings - try and cheer up, it’s only 8.30am you’ve got a long day ahead in this mood x

It's been on the news and on news websites for weeks
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wonderwoman26 · 23/02/2022 13:14

Because I am trying to understand - and even now so there is conflicting advise of new Highway Code vs old code vs road markings vs right side/ wrong side.
And without anyone actually seeing the junction which is not possible - I have nothing to offer but further drip feeding explanations

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wonderwoman26 · 23/02/2022 13:16

If I’m completely honest I’ve lost all interest now, I’ve managed to drive 10 years without an accident so I seem to be doing okay. Just having a chuckle at the character judgements on a stranger. I’m sure the same people who were #bekind when that movement was around

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luxxlisbon · 23/02/2022 13:20

@wonderwoman26

So what I’m hearing is the path tells him he should of stopped via the old Highway Code. But the new Highway Code says he has right of way.

So I have to guess which Highway Code they are going to abide by as the road markings are still there informing him to stop at wait.

Makes sense

No, regardless of a cycle lane or not the cyclist is allowed to cycle on the road. If the markings for a cycle lane stop the cyclist can obviously continue on. If you are making the turn off one road and onto another, and crossing traffic to do so - you need to give way until it is clear. If you were turning left surely you would give way to oncoming cars until there is space for you to pass? Regardless of the new Highway Code or not you are still the one who has to take into account other road uses before turning.
SugarAndCoffee · 23/02/2022 13:21

It's a give way triangle no? So it's the same as if it were a car junction and they had a give way triangle. Except if you hit them it's your fault because you know..cyclist.

SliceOfCakeCupOfTea · 23/02/2022 13:30

@Momicrone

Why do cars hate stopping so much
Stopping suddenly in a car is more difficult and dangerous than stopping suddenly if youre walking. But then I also think suddenly stopping on a bike would be just as tricky.
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wonderwoman26 · 23/02/2022 13:32

@SugarAndCoffee

It's a give way triangle no? So it's the same as if it were a car junction and they had a give way triangle. Except if you hit them it's your fault because you know..cyclist.
This is again where my confusion lies. If I view the cyclist as a car, then the car should have stopped to give way at the give way triangle - but not if it’s a cyclist? So it’s not the same as a car junction
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SugarAndCoffee · 23/02/2022 13:34

@wonderwoman26 yes I'm agreeing with you sorry not sure if I was clear. For some reason becuase they are a cyclist it seems they can just ignore it. Get smashed because they've whizzed through and then you would get blamed.