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Eating out alone as a woman

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Chocolattay · 21/02/2022 00:35

I’m not judging anybody who eats out alone, I think it should be normal and the stigma is pathetic. But people on Mumsnet only speak positively about it. I had a terrible experience of it and surely it can’t have been unique to me, as the stigma exists. Or is it really me?

I was in London for an important appointment a few years ago, and I had the whole day to kill. It was my first time ever in London and I didn’t want to settle for a crap Big Mac or Burger King for lunch when I could have that at home, so I went to a hippy bohemian bistro type place in SoHo. I had to talk myself into it. I’d eventually convinced myself it’d be fine and thought they probably got loads of business people in alone anyway. But it was fucking awful. Even though I had specifically said table for 1, they didn’t seem to grasp that. I was waiting an hour just to order a drink. I’d make eye contact with the waiter but he’d just smile awkwardly. Eventually I spoke up and asked to order when he was rushing past. He asked if I was waiting for anybody. I said no. He looked like he’d seen a ghost ffs. He was actually quite rude to me in the service afterwards, and blunt. As if he’d decided there must be something wrong with me for me to be alone. It was horrible.

I vowed never to do it again. Weirdly enough I’ve done it a couple of times post-baby with baby in tow and haven’t felt awkward at all. It’s like the mere presence of a pram is going to be proof to people that I can’t be that weird if somebody has had a baby with me, therefore I’m ‘allowed’ to eat out alone.

DH does it regularly though and says nobody has ever battered an eyelid, which makes me wonder if it’s a gender/misogyny thing. It’s fine for men to enjoy their own company but women should always have a group of ‘girls’ to chat with? Is that what it is? Or am I massively overthinking it?

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ilovesooty · 21/02/2022 10:43

@Dibbydoos

I've found it really hard to just do a walk-in on my own before now.

I boycot all restaurants that have done this - I've even had this when they've been ultra quiet in case anyone talks about why would they accept 1 person as a walking when they can get 2 etc.

In Europe, I've never had a problem.

During and post pandemic, forget eating out alone, you can't easily book single dining.

I honestly don't do this often, but I find it tricky unless I go to a chain restaurant. It's the time I rue being a widow and kick myself for not actively looking for a new partner...!

I've not had any trouble booking a table for one in my city - even on Christmas day. I've booked tables for one on holiday too.
godmum56 · 21/02/2022 10:45

@rainbowmash

Maybe it's a London thing - I've noticed my hometown (Norwich) friends have far more hang-ups about being seen out alone. I've also noticed whenever I go to visit my home town, people at other tables get very nosey and starey (compared to where I love now, where people respect you and leave people alone), so I can understand why they feel like that.

I was once watching a TV show with my mum, and a character was at a small music concert by herself. Mum made a comment about how "that's ridiculous, no woman would EVER do that!". I was Hmm mainly because I do it several times a year without a second thought, but also because it made me so sad for her - imagine internalising the idea that, as a woman, nothing was worth experiencing unless you were accompanied? I often feel like some groups of women are prevented from ever experiencing adulthood for these reasons.

not a London thing at all.
MrsSkylerWhite · 21/02/2022 10:46

Chocolattay

I’ve had my own friends say they couldn’t even sit in Costa alone on their lunch break, which shocks me.“

Why? Coffee shops are full of people sitting alone.

godmum56 · 21/02/2022 10:54

@BrambleRoses

he wanted me to enjoy my life

And rightly so, but what is a bit annoying is those of us who are saying we just don’t enjoy eating out alone because of feeling self conscious are impatiently told how pathetic we are.

I was single for the best part of 20 years before I met DH and I had to do things alone, or I’d never have done anything. I went to the cinema, the theatre, travel and stayed in hotels alone. I’ve also gone pony trekking, camel riding and skydiving. I’m not a pathetic wimp. But I hate eating alone. I feel self conscious and I don’t really notice anyone else doing it although I am many miles from London.

If you don't enjoy it then don't do it. I would never judge anyone as pathetic for not doing what they don't enjoy. I do think though, that it IS silly to say "oh I'd like to do this but its not something that women/men/people like me/insert your own description here/ do because there is a stigma/its not done where I live (if its in the UK)/other people think I shouldn't/insert your own reason here.
james83 · 21/02/2022 10:57

OP I think this is one area that has changed very rapidly over the last few years.
It is not rare to see women in Pubs or restaurants by themselves.
Also restaurants have got used to women as the host at a table and choosing the wine and paying the bill.

JunkIsland · 21/02/2022 11:00

@KindChick - with this sort of strange behaviour it’s hard to know if it was you being alone or not. I was eating out with my mum in Spain years ago and an American couple (point being we were all tourists in a touristy place) stared at us from the moment we entered the restaurant until they left. They were entranced. Never experienced this before or since and have no idea why we were so fascinating to them.

WhateverHappenedToFayWray · 21/02/2022 11:00

I have never experienced this, and I've eaten alone loads of times

WhateverHappenedToFayWray · 21/02/2022 11:01

I also live in London so its definitely not a London thing

housemaus · 21/02/2022 11:02

Definitely a one off - I work away about 20 weeks of the year, so I spend a lot of time eating alone. I usually read/do some work/watch Tiktok with one headphone in. Never had any issues!

UniBallEye · 21/02/2022 11:04

@rainbowmash I had to visit Norwich for work on my own about 5 years ago and I had a lovely time there! I ate alone every meal for 3 days and had no problems whatsoever. I ate in a range of places including the Jamie Oliver restaurant in the lovely Victorian Mall. I had a delicious meal there and 2 glasses of wine.

I also ate lunch in a very nice tearoom / bakery with perhaps a french name / feel to it, also the lovely department store with the cafe upstairs - I had coffee and cake there.

I visted plenty of pubs in including the old building that has a cinema where you can bring a drink in with you - I enjoyed that with a lovely glass of red.

I had fish and chips in the famous place

Not one person bothered me whatseover and I never felt out of place

I travelled a lot for work though and am well used to eating alone. I really enjoy it

ABitOfAShitShow · 21/02/2022 11:05

I’ve eaten out alone a lot - mostly London, Paris and NY - and it’s always been totally fine.

sanbeiji · 21/02/2022 11:10

It MAY be odd in small places where everyone knows everyone else and nobody would go to the pub alone (cuz why would they, and what a waste of money). But that’s not for lone women, for anybody.
Completely normal in other places.

Get new friends and work on being assertive.

TheUsualShitshow · 21/02/2022 11:15

I live in a small town where everyone knows everyone and no it's still not weird to be out in public aloneConfused

How is this becoming a city mouse/country mouse thing?

SleepingStandingUp · 21/02/2022 11:16

@JanisMoplin

I may be overinvested in this thread. Perhaps it's because this kind of internalised misogyny and feebleness ( is that a word?) makes me so angry. Getting bad or indifferent service isn't a horrible experience. Getting raped, groped or assaulted is. I know women to whom this has happened ( I am one of them) and we still don't let the "stigma" stop us from eating out alone. How pathetic do you have to be to not go to Costa alone, when women are literally travelling alone in war zones?
So because other people are born into different lives (countries that are currently experiencing war etc) or choose career paths that put them in danger, no one else is allowed to have anxiety over anything that isn't life threatening?

I'm sorry you've been sexually assaulted, but that's got nothing to do with someone else's social anxiety of which you have no knowledge of the origin

TooMuchPaper · 21/02/2022 11:18

Given that quite a few posters on MN have anxiety about answering the door or phone calls, this thread doesn't surprise me in the least.

JanisMoplin · 21/02/2022 11:28

This level of anxiety over something that happened years ago is not normal. Nor is surrounding yourself with a group of women who are the same.

PurpleDaisies · 21/02/2022 11:31

I eat out alone regularly. Nothing like this has every happened to me. It’s always been a positive experience.

rainbowmash · 21/02/2022 11:31

[quote UniBallEye]@rainbowmash I had to visit Norwich for work on my own about 5 years ago and I had a lovely time there! I ate alone every meal for 3 days and had no problems whatsoever. I ate in a range of places including the Jamie Oliver restaurant in the lovely Victorian Mall. I had a delicious meal there and 2 glasses of wine.

I also ate lunch in a very nice tearoom / bakery with perhaps a french name / feel to it, also the lovely department store with the cafe upstairs - I had coffee and cake there.

I visted plenty of pubs in including the old building that has a cinema where you can bring a drink in with you - I enjoyed that with a lovely glass of red.

I had fish and chips in the famous place

Not one person bothered me whatseover and I never felt out of place

I travelled a lot for work though and am well used to eating alone. I really enjoy it[/quote]
I'm glad you had a good time at the chippy, was it 'F'sh' ? - it's one of my favourites and the staff are lovely!

I agree that Norwich has got it's act together since it became more multicultural. Ten years ago when I lived there it was very easy to become paranoid and anxious from being stated at by the nosey locals for doing anything out of line.

I probably should clarify - I meant that I live in London now, and feeling comfortable while dining alone is "a London thing", not feeling anxious or excluded!

Iamclearlyamug · 21/02/2022 11:32

I used to regularly fly alone so was always getting breakfast in the airport if I had an early flight - if anything I found the waiters extra polite and friendly 🤷‍♀️🤷‍♀️ Must have just been a dickhead one you came across

Natty13 · 21/02/2022 11:44

@BrambleRoses

I’m reading a different thread (again.)

She tried to order a drink repeatedly.

She eventually flagged someone down.

They thought she was waiting for someone hence why no one came over to take her order before (which you know is a reasonably expected norm in restaurants.)

And they were rude to her.

But totally it’s the OPs fault Hmm

Well yeah you are. Making eye contact with a waiter isn't "trying repeatedly to order a drink". I made eye contact with many people on the train to work this morning, did they think I was trying to order a drink off them? It 100% is the OPs fault that she sat for an hour and said nothing. As soon as she did use her voice, he came and took her drink order.

Not saying he wasn't an arsehole though. He was really rude but in a busy area of a busy city this is unfortunately often the case all over the world. Nothing to do with being a woman dining alone.

BrambleRoses · 21/02/2022 11:47

You seriously can’t see the difference between eye contact with a waiter in a restaurant and eye contact with people on a train?

IntermittentParps · 21/02/2022 11:52

It's part of the skill of waiting tables to be able to pick up from eye contact alone when someone wants your attention.
This waiter seemed to have decided the OP must be waiting for somebody. And was still useless and rude to her even after that was cleared up.
He was a bit shit, simply.

Natty13 · 21/02/2022 12:02

@BrambleRoses

You seriously can’t see the difference between eye contact with a waiter in a restaurant and eye contact with people on a train?
Yes of course I can but adults use their words when they want something and adults also try something else when what they are doing isn't working.

How was the waiter meant to know the eye contact wasn't a "oh where is this person I'm waiting for?" look. Eye contact, facial expressions and body language are so subjective, we all interpret them differently so yes, she is to blame for doing nothing when he clearly didn't realise the eye contact meant "come and take my order". I'd have ignored her too.

CandyLeBonBon · 21/02/2022 12:05

Nope not my experience either and I've been eating/drinking on my own in pubs and restaurants since I was 18 (now 52) and I've never ever felt like you so. Probably just a one-off!

sanbeiji · 21/02/2022 12:07

@TheUsualShitshow

I live in a small town where everyone knows everyone and no it's still not weird to be out in public aloneConfused

How is this becoming a city mouse/country mouse thing?

I’ve had the opposite experience. Multiple times Make what you will of it.