To say the NHS should be privatised?

[Cheekypeach]

Preferably only partially, but still. I was talking about this with DH yesterday who is adamant it should stay as it is. I said I don’t think it can survive in its current form, and I for one would rather pay more and receive a better quality service. AIBU?

@labyrinthlaziness

No. Fuck off and get private healthcare yourself if you are so keen. It will cost you a fortune but it is your choice.

Wow, well that’s my mind changed 👏🏻

So - if you can afford to pay high sky premiums to a company that will need to make a profit then you can get treatment. But if you are the average person on minimum wage - then what - tough luck! We would end up like the USA - big companies with ever growing profits and lower accessibility of care.
Does the NHS need to be funded better - YES
Is privatisation the way to do it - DEFINITELY NOT

I’d rather not leave the diabetic people of the UK open to exploitation and death the way the people in America have due to profiteering pharma companies.

@LightfoldEngines

I’d rather not leave the diabetic people of the UK open to exploitation and death the way the people in America have due to profiteering pharma companies.

I’m type 1 diabetic.

And those who can't afford it should just die, yes?

How much money do you earn OP? If one of your family members needed thousands of pounds worth of treatment, would that be easily affordable?

My brother lives in America and needed a 4 day hospital. Bill was over $60,000.

We lived in the US for a few years, thankfully with excellent health insurance through employer. One DS needed stitches for a head wound - the bill for four stitches exceeded £8,000.
Are you ready to pay for that out of pocket, or for paying what can amount to another mortgage in health insurance every month? I know I'm not. And that's the slim end of the wedge.
The NHS isn't perfect (but I will always support it with all my might) but rather than privatisation, the government needs to fund it properly, pay staff properly and provide support for it to become more efficient.

@Waxonwaxoff0

And those who can't afford it should just die, yes?

Yes, being poor is a choice, simply choose to be richer and then you can pay!

Just go private then op. Nothing stopping you paying now

@labyrinthlaziness, just manifest it, hun

"Pile 'em high!"

I’d quite like the French model.

It could work but only if it was regulated to limit the profit to be no more than a set percentage.

I work in an industry where government based projects are capped at 7%. It works and noone is getting rich but that would be the point for a healthcare system like ours.

@Waxonwaxoff0

And those who can't afford it should just die, yes?

I said preferably partially privatised.

Or something like, a £10 fee for GP appointments, £15 for consultant appointments, £300 bill for maternity services/birth etc. Everything having a small charge.

@Waxonwaxoff0

And those who can't afford it should just die, yes?

Have they not heard of money trees?

@AllThingsServeTheBeam

Just go private then op. Nothing stopping you paying now

But I already pay towards NHS. Why should I pay twice?

I've never understood why people imagine you'd get a better service paying a company that wants to make profit.

If I thought you could privatise AND avoid the situation in the US where people have no access to healthcare and overall costs of healthcare would be similar to today or maybe go back to overall spend on healthcare being on a par with the European average then I'd be ok with privatisation.

But I don't see that as possible. It either goes up in price or some are left without healthcare or (as in the US) both of those things.

I for one would rather pay more and receive a better quality service

I for one would not like to be a selfish princess who leaves those in poverty or with disabilities at the mercy of a profit-driven, exploitative private health system.

I’m type 1 diabetic have you ever read anything about privatised healthcare? Seriously @Cheekypeach - you would not get insurance for your pre-existing condition - you would have to pay £000's per month for your insulin.

You would be absolutely to favour private healthcare!

Talk about turkeys voting for Christmas! This is ridiculous.

Oh op. What is your plan then? Go on. Outline it. So you don't want to pay more? As 'you already pay'. So how would privatisation help?

@SpiderVersed

I for one would rather pay more and receive a better quality service

I for one would not like to be a selfish princess who leaves those in poverty or with disabilities at the mercy of a profit-driven, exploitative private health system.

I am disabled.

@Helocariad

aargh- voted YANBU by mistake!!! YABU- be VERY careful what you wish for, I would say. Investment through taxation is far more efficient and democratic.

You can change your vote

Nope nope nope.

Don’t fall for the Tory trap of letting them decimate the NHS then say “Oh well it’s in such a poor state we best privatise it!”

Seriously how do you not see that from a mile off.

And appointments being a tenner might be fine for YOU, but there’s a cost of living crisis right now and poverty is sky-high. This is a very out of touch take.

Have you got a spare £257 - £661 a month to pay for your insulin OP?

www.forbes.com/sites/joshuacohen/2021/01/05/insulins-out-of-pocket-cost-burden-to-diabetic-patients-continues-to-rise-despite-reduced-net-costs-to-pbms/

Surely nobody can be so silly as to say 'I want to put in place a system of healthcare that will cost me thousands of pounds every year'.

This thread is a wind up. It makes no sense.