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To expect dc to self-fund uni after receiving inheritance

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trippinglyonthetongue · 18/02/2022 12:50

We have 2 dc, one already in uni and one should be going next year. They don't get full loans due to our income and we have to pay rent and provide money for other living costs. We had saved for this but a lot still comes from our monthly income. It's our biggest expense and will obviously increase further when dd2 goes.

Dh's mother passed away a few months ago and it turns out she has left her (quite considerable) estate to be shared between her gc. We aren't sure of the final amount yet as property is being sold but it will be in excess of £100k each for our 2. I have said to dh that this is a weight off us in terms of funding uni and the girls should be able to sort most of it themselves now. He is adamant that the money is not for that and is for houses for them. I'm actually shocked at how strongly he feels about it and he's made me feel like I'm robbing them or something. I would still pay for things like holidays and maybe rent, but I don't see why it's so awful to expect them to fund some things and surely they'd still have a fair bit left if they're sensible? The thing is, I earn quite a bit more than him and have found my job increasingly stressful and draining since covid (hcp) and would really like to step back from management and/or go part time, which would be out of the question with funding the girls.

Am I really being so unreasonable?

OP posts:
blueberryporridge · 20/02/2022 11:34

The inheritance is a bit of a red herring, in my opinion. The real issue is that OP is being expected to continue to work full-time to fund DC at university even though it is affecting her health and well-being. I would be wanting to know why the burden is not being shared more equally between the parents.

Re inheritance, agree with genius suggestion that the DC use it if possible to buy a flat thereby cutting their living costs (and need for support from parents) while also making an investment which should be better returns-wise than putting it in the bank.

Toanewstart23 · 20/02/2022 11:37

@Hb12

We must be reading different threads
The overwhelming majority haven’t said anything like that

Toanewstart23 · 20/02/2022 11:38

And the voting is 62% YANBU

Blossomtoes · 20/02/2022 12:57

@Toanewstart23

And the voting is 62% YANBU
But the comments aren’t.
LolaSmiles · 20/02/2022 13:30

The inheritance is a bit of a red herring, in my opinion. The real issue is that OP is being expected to continue to work full-time to fund DC at university even though it is affecting her health and well-being. I would be wanting to know why the burden is not being shared more equally between the parents
Same here.

What would the OP and her DH be doing if the option to use their children's inheritance to reduce parental contributions wasn't on the table?

The DH seems to have a nice little comfy arrangement going on where his wife runs herself into the ground so he doesn't have to work that hard. In my opinion it's his time to step up, not have his wife work herself to the bone or have his children use their inheritance to allow their parents to have an easier life.

oncemoreunto · 20/02/2022 14:48

I agree that two issues have been pulled into one.

OP and DH need to work out between them how to support their dc at Uni without OP making herself ill working and without using the dc's inheritance money as the parental contribution.

DH looking to increase his pay or take on other chores to reduce OPs workload overall should both be considered. It is DH who needs to be stepping up more in this situation.

Toanewstart23 · 20/02/2022 15:23

@Blossomtoes

Read through them
Absolute majority saying the op not being unreasonable
And the voting the same

OnaBegonia · 20/02/2022 15:31

Are they being given the £ as soon as estate is settled?
My DD16 has a sizeable inheritance but it is in trust until she is 23, there's too much risk of it being frittered away by teenagers.

WombatChocolate · 20/02/2022 15:54

I said before, that financial planning needs to be a dynamic thing….changing as financial circumstances alter. It is a mistake to make a rigid plan and then regardless if changes in circumstances, to insist on rigidly sticking to it because ‘that’s what we said we’d do’.

All kinds of things can happen which mean a financial plan might need adjusting. You can find yourself better off due to promotion, inheritance, something else which happens. These could lead to to reappraisal of age of retirement, whether someone reduces their houses at work, moves house or all kinds of things. Likewise, you can lose a job, find an investment or risk taken didn’t pay off, get divorced, have a spouse die….all kinds of things and these might mean you work longer or more hours or downsize..or whatever.

Kids are rarely financially independent until at least their mid 20s these days, so a change in financial circumstances often affects the whole family. A windfall might fall on one individual, but given parents support children and you g adults when there’s no-one else to, a windfall on any individual can affect others. If a parent in OP’s scenario inherited some cash, there could be indirect benefits for the kids, in terms of a later gifted house deposit. When a child inherits, it means some of the financial burden now or in future is relieved a bit for parents. This isn’t parents ‘stealing’ their kids inheritance or not supporting them or failing in their parental duty, quite simply that a child with an inheritance might not NEED the level of financial support a child without it does.

It’s foolish to say that all parents should be financing Uni, or donating house deposits, or supplying free childcare later in life because that’s their duty as parents. It seems daft to suggest that a kid who somehow has another source of money should be able to just sit on that and the parents be expected to fund all the above things, because that’s the parents’ job. Given we are talking about young adults here, starting to take some financial responsibility is part of growing up and teaching them that, rather than molly coddling them and treating home financially like children until their 30s isn’t doing anyone any favours.

I totally understand how lots of people see this inheritance as perfect for a house deposit. And it is. What a wonderful gift. And I understand how OPs DH and indeed herself would love that to happen and hate to see the cash wasted by late teens/young adults. Without a doubt, conversations need to happen and these lucky teens will need some guidance and help.

In this scenario and Ops situation, I would expect this to impact the kids and also the adults of the family. I’d be wanting to show the kids they were lucky and now had opportunities they might not otherwise have, but also to help them to think through their finances and understand hard work and financial responsibility would be needed, as too easily, a windfall like this can be wasted.

Personally, I’d still be encouraging the students to be taking holiday time jobs. I’d be encouraging them to look at the impact of student loans on future payments and to be thinking about keeping the majority of the money for a house deposit. I’d also be looking at conversations about a reduced parental contribution in the circumstances, and a proper explanation of how OP feels about work and her pressing need to reduce hours or step back a bit. I would t be looking at going to zero parental contribution of the perhaps £5k top up needed per year, but perhaps to £2k. Because if the student hasn’t been working in the holidays, then a key question is why not? To me, this seems to be a key issue within all this - you g adults taking on some financial responsibility, which makes the. Value money and their course so much more. Everything being on a plate and gifted isn’t a good building block for future finances….and even more important now with this big gift.

What’s the inheritance to be used for? Well, it might well bethat final decisions aren’t made for a while. Instead, it could be that most if it is invested wisely, with a view to it being available in 5-10 years time. At that point, depending on the career trajectory of the kids and their earning potential, it might make sense to use some of the money to pay off loans (high earners can avoid pretty high interest rates by doing this) or it might make sense to just leave the loans as they are (low earners might never pay much back at all) but regardless they would probably want to keep most for a deposit. But it would have to be their choice at a point where more info was available. Until you know your career, where you’ll be living, what you’ll be earning, if you’re single or not….much of it is academic.

And if OP had previously considered helping out with a deposit, well now no need, or much less needed. Some people would no doubt say that waoukd be selfish if OP, or OP not DC benefitting from the inheritance. Of course not. Parents are not cash cows for their kids’ lifetimes, regardless of their kids’ own financial circumstances. Some kids need more help, and others don’t. Responding to the circumstances as they arise and seeing finances as a dynamic ongoing and changing thing is key.

And sounds to me like lots of people need to be helping their kids towards financial independence much more, rather than babying them or expecting g them to always need parental help. Teaching them about bank account to, credit cards, interest rates. Helping them to take on some appropriate part time work in sixth form, and Uni holiday terms…it’s not just about money, but the skills and self discipline gained from doing any paid work which forces you to commit. Teaching them about earnings and savings and bills and budgeting. Making sure they understand student loans and the interest on them. He,ping them understand renting and saving for house deposits and about different career paths and earnings structures etc.

I’d say someone who learns this stuff as a teen and young adult, might find themselves better off financially by 40, than someone given £100k at 21, but who had never been expected to work or contribute themselves as a student, and whose parents had always taken full financial responsibility and decision maki g for.

sofakingcool · 20/02/2022 16:09

@WombatChocolate

I said before, that financial planning needs to be a dynamic thing….changing as financial circumstances alter. It is a mistake to make a rigid plan and then regardless if changes in circumstances, to insist on rigidly sticking to it because ‘that’s what we said we’d do’.

All kinds of things can happen which mean a financial plan might need adjusting. You can find yourself better off due to promotion, inheritance, something else which happens. These could lead to to reappraisal of age of retirement, whether someone reduces their houses at work, moves house or all kinds of things. Likewise, you can lose a job, find an investment or risk taken didn’t pay off, get divorced, have a spouse die….all kinds of things and these might mean you work longer or more hours or downsize..or whatever.

Kids are rarely financially independent until at least their mid 20s these days, so a change in financial circumstances often affects the whole family. A windfall might fall on one individual, but given parents support children and you g adults when there’s no-one else to, a windfall on any individual can affect others. If a parent in OP’s scenario inherited some cash, there could be indirect benefits for the kids, in terms of a later gifted house deposit. When a child inherits, it means some of the financial burden now or in future is relieved a bit for parents. This isn’t parents ‘stealing’ their kids inheritance or not supporting them or failing in their parental duty, quite simply that a child with an inheritance might not NEED the level of financial support a child without it does.

It’s foolish to say that all parents should be financing Uni, or donating house deposits, or supplying free childcare later in life because that’s their duty as parents. It seems daft to suggest that a kid who somehow has another source of money should be able to just sit on that and the parents be expected to fund all the above things, because that’s the parents’ job. Given we are talking about young adults here, starting to take some financial responsibility is part of growing up and teaching them that, rather than molly coddling them and treating home financially like children until their 30s isn’t doing anyone any favours.

I totally understand how lots of people see this inheritance as perfect for a house deposit. And it is. What a wonderful gift. And I understand how OPs DH and indeed herself would love that to happen and hate to see the cash wasted by late teens/young adults. Without a doubt, conversations need to happen and these lucky teens will need some guidance and help.

In this scenario and Ops situation, I would expect this to impact the kids and also the adults of the family. I’d be wanting to show the kids they were lucky and now had opportunities they might not otherwise have, but also to help them to think through their finances and understand hard work and financial responsibility would be needed, as too easily, a windfall like this can be wasted.

Personally, I’d still be encouraging the students to be taking holiday time jobs. I’d be encouraging them to look at the impact of student loans on future payments and to be thinking about keeping the majority of the money for a house deposit. I’d also be looking at conversations about a reduced parental contribution in the circumstances, and a proper explanation of how OP feels about work and her pressing need to reduce hours or step back a bit. I would t be looking at going to zero parental contribution of the perhaps £5k top up needed per year, but perhaps to £2k. Because if the student hasn’t been working in the holidays, then a key question is why not? To me, this seems to be a key issue within all this - you g adults taking on some financial responsibility, which makes the. Value money and their course so much more. Everything being on a plate and gifted isn’t a good building block for future finances….and even more important now with this big gift.

What’s the inheritance to be used for? Well, it might well bethat final decisions aren’t made for a while. Instead, it could be that most if it is invested wisely, with a view to it being available in 5-10 years time. At that point, depending on the career trajectory of the kids and their earning potential, it might make sense to use some of the money to pay off loans (high earners can avoid pretty high interest rates by doing this) or it might make sense to just leave the loans as they are (low earners might never pay much back at all) but regardless they would probably want to keep most for a deposit. But it would have to be their choice at a point where more info was available. Until you know your career, where you’ll be living, what you’ll be earning, if you’re single or not….much of it is academic.

And if OP had previously considered helping out with a deposit, well now no need, or much less needed. Some people would no doubt say that waoukd be selfish if OP, or OP not DC benefitting from the inheritance. Of course not. Parents are not cash cows for their kids’ lifetimes, regardless of their kids’ own financial circumstances. Some kids need more help, and others don’t. Responding to the circumstances as they arise and seeing finances as a dynamic ongoing and changing thing is key.

And sounds to me like lots of people need to be helping their kids towards financial independence much more, rather than babying them or expecting g them to always need parental help. Teaching them about bank account to, credit cards, interest rates. Helping them to take on some appropriate part time work in sixth form, and Uni holiday terms…it’s not just about money, but the skills and self discipline gained from doing any paid work which forces you to commit. Teaching them about earnings and savings and bills and budgeting. Making sure they understand student loans and the interest on them. He,ping them understand renting and saving for house deposits and about different career paths and earnings structures etc.

I’d say someone who learns this stuff as a teen and young adult, might find themselves better off financially by 40, than someone given £100k at 21, but who had never been expected to work or contribute themselves as a student, and whose parents had always taken full financial responsibility and decision maki g for.

Excellent words @WombatChocolate !
sanbeiji · 20/02/2022 17:12

[quote Toanewstart23]@Blossomtoes

Read through them
Absolute majority saying the op not being unreasonable
And the voting the same[/quote]
That's now, after 20+ pages but the majority of the earlier responses were that OP was being U.
Calling her grabby, greedy, shirking her parental responsibilities among other things.

sanbeiji · 20/02/2022 17:15

@WombatChocolate well said.
I'm baffled by the number of people who see the DC and their parent as two separate units.

Belladonna12 · 20/02/2022 17:16

It’s foolish to say that all parents should be financing Uni, or donating house deposits, or supplying free childcare later in life because that’s their duty as parents. It seems daft to suggest that a kid who somehow has another source of money should be able to just sit on that and the parents be expected to fund all the above things, because that’s the parents’ job. Given we are talking about young adults here, starting to take some financial responsibility is part of growing up and teaching them that, rather than molly coddling them and treating home financially like children until their 30s isn’t doing anyone any favours.

I don't think all parents should contribute to student finances while at university as some parents don't need to because (if they are on a low income) their children will receive a full loan. However, if a student receives a reduced loan because of their parents income then I do think they have a duty to make up the difference because they are the cause of the student not receiving the full loan. I'm not talking about OP because she does intend to contribute with rent but in general I strongly disagree with the idea that students should make up the difference themselves. I would hate to feel that my existence put my child at a financial disadvantage.

worriedatthemoment · 20/02/2022 17:18

@sanbeiji but many low level jobs now will take on someone with a degree over say just gcse's
We live in an area where good jobs are scarce my ds is doing a dead end job and hes going to uni to also broaden his skills , learn to live alone , see a new area and to show him their is more than just our town
Yes he will have a debt but he will only pay it back if he gets the well paying job
Many jobs won't employ you if you are just self taught something
You have been lucky

Toanewstart23 · 20/02/2022 17:22

@sanbeiji

Go back to page 1!

worriedatthemoment · 20/02/2022 17:22

@AuntieStella its not part of the package its just assumed and to save the goverment money , they take no real account of how many other children you have and its starts getting reduced at quite a low parental wage , many people simply do not have the disposable income after paying all their own bills to make up the shortfull and many people are not aware they will be expected too

worriedatthemoment · 20/02/2022 17:28

@Imdonna you have made so many assumptions there none of which you have actually got from the op
MH can come on suddenly and other illness a job you have found find suddenly you can be drowning you don't always get warning
Maybe the Op reducing hrs won't mean they get that much more loan , why shouldn't they fund some of their education
Plenty of kids don't go to uni because they and their parents can't afford it as even the full loan is a real push and its not always the full amount year 3, its entitled to expect your parents to fund it all and not work to help or if you have a cash sum use a little to ease your. Parents
I would be horrified if my kids would rather see us struggle and burn out rather than as an adult also step
Up and help

Belladonna12 · 20/02/2022 17:31

Of course the reduced loan is to save money but that doesn't mean the students should be penalised for it! Parents have always been expected to contribute to student living costs if their income is over a certain amount. It's not a new thing so really shouldn't come as a surprise.

Imdonna · 20/02/2022 17:42

[quote worriedatthemoment]@Imdonna you have made so many assumptions there none of which you have actually got from the op
MH can come on suddenly and other illness a job you have found find suddenly you can be drowning you don't always get warning
Maybe the Op reducing hrs won't mean they get that much more loan , why shouldn't they fund some of their education
Plenty of kids don't go to uni because they and their parents can't afford it as even the full loan is a real push and its not always the full amount year 3, its entitled to expect your parents to fund it all and not work to help or if you have a cash sum use a little to ease your. Parents
I would be horrified if my kids would rather see us struggle and burn out rather than as an adult also step
Up and help[/quote]
I am sure op is struggling. However, its quite the coincidence that her MH got to the point she had to go PT at the same time she found out she wasn't inheriting and the kids were. Coincidences of course happen.

If her going PT doesn't increase their loan much she is on alot of money. Not quite the story she was telling.

I know plenty of kids don't go. I didn't go that exact reasons.

Given that she is quite bitter about her dhs siblings financial situations, believes she should have more financial say than him and believes she was entitled to the inheritence instead of her children, I can guess what posters would call her if she was a man.

I also didn't say she shouldn't go PT or taht the dds should use some of the money. But the oldest one need to use more due to the way finance works.

WombatChocolate · 20/02/2022 18:02

Hasnt it always been that most students work over the summer holidays?

Most can easily earn a couple of grand over the summer, without taking in any term-time work. That is a decent contribution to what a government loan might not provide. Yes, for most whose family income means minimum living loan is given, it won't cover the full gap, but it will reduce what a parent needs to give.

Lots of people on here seem to suggest a parent should be funding a lifestyle chosen by the young adult....could be more expensive accommodation, could be costly leisure....and that the young adult shouldn't be expected to make any effort o earn money or to contribute from any money they happen to have. But why? University isn't compulsory schooling. It's a choice made by an adult and it's the adult who stands to benefit from it, so why should a parent fully fund it or fund what the government won't loan fully, if the adult benefitting can contribute?

Of course parents have always contributed....and will continue to do so. Most later teens couldn't pay the parental top up themselves....they wouldn't have the funds for it. But some do. It could be inheritance, it could be a gift or trust or whatever....in this case, why should the parent look to provide it as a matter of course? The reason parents fund is because their kids are financially dependent. However, not all.

Similar scenarios, could be a grad parent funding independnent school fees (very common) - should the parent also be providing the child with the equivalent of the school fees because it is their duty to pay them as a parent?

What about the parent who expects to help their adult child with a house deposit? Adult child rescuers 38 before buying a house and has an extremely well paying job. Should parents automatically be giving the deposit, just because this person is their child?

Most parents want the best for their kids. Most want to support their kids through childhood and have some expectation of providing some financial support into early adulthood. Not all can afford this later phase, especially when there are several children and children still at home and money is tight. And it can be tight even on an income over the maximum acceptable to avoiding parental contribution - lots of families still have rent to pay or big mortgages.

And a reality for lots of funding that parental contribution Is they reduce their pension contributions or have to continue with a stressful job thry could step away from, or retire several years later. These are not always good choices. Just because you're a parent, doesn't mean you have to martyr yourself or that if you expect or ask your child to contribute something themselves (especially if they have a big load) you don't love them or are a lesser parent. The latter is the implication stated and unstated running through this thread.

People need to look at their finances in the round and in a balanced way. People should plan and have targets for their retirement, for savings, for children. It shouldn't be that every parental wellbeing or financial future element is sacrificed so children can have X, Y and Z especially when other options are available.

I have money put aside for my DC education and for a house deposit later. I also have a plan to retire early and to become more part time as time progresses. I will not be reducing the plans for myself, so I can give more to my DC. The amounts Inorovide them for uni and for a house deposit are flexible and will adjust according to circumstance. Perhaps the GP will gift them money for uni or a house deposit. If so, I won't give quite so much. Perhaps they won't and perhaps their course might turn out to be more expensive and I might give them a bit more. It will depend on circumstances at the time.

And regardless, I'd expect them to take on some kind of summer holiday job. I'd expect them to be proactive in researching jobs and getting their graduate position and making the most of the uni investment. I'd be so disappointed to have a drippy young adult child who never showed any interest in the costs of their course, or the implications of their loans, or who had zero eye to the cost of accommodation and salaries. But I'd hold myself partly responsible if they were like this and suspect I'd somehow failed as a parent, especially if I'd forked out for everything and told them I was sorting everything financially because I loved them and they weren't to even consider finances, becaue as their Mother, that was MY job and not theirs. All they had to do was go on being a perpetual child, receiving gifts, none of which were for the purposes of funding living, just fun or the future...because the funding of living falls on decent parents. There's lots like this though. Thry leave their post-graduate qualifications that parents have funded in their mid -20s and somehow still don't really know the cost if a supermarket shop or the price of a gas bill. Have those parents really been good parents?

1Micem0use · 20/02/2022 18:11

I found uni to be a great equaliser. Coming from the lowest parental income bracket possible I spent my entire childhood working after school and saturday jobs, but I didnt need to work at all during uni and dedicated my time to studying, socialising and hobbies. Those whose parent's wealth meant they got barely any money from student finance got their first jobs, which filled a gaping gap on their CVs. As even professional jobs like to see a bit of graft.

sanbeiji · 20/02/2022 18:22

[quote worriedatthemoment]@sanbeiji but many low level jobs now will take on someone with a degree over say just gcse's
We live in an area where good jobs are scarce my ds is doing a dead end job and hes going to uni to also broaden his skills , learn to live alone , see a new area and to show him their is more than just our town
Yes he will have a debt but he will only pay it back if he gets the well paying job
Many jobs won't employ you if you are just self taught something
You have been lucky [/quote]
My point wasn't about being self-taught. I have a degree, just in a different subject.
If you just want the knowledge there are loads of ways to get it, you don't need a degree.
If you just want to explore, there are plenty of ways other than a FT degree. Get a job in a bigger city, go study elsewhere for a qualification (people do that for the ICAEW, often funded), get an apprenticeship.

HOWEVER :
That is the way it should be.

What's actually happening is that too many people have degrees, so many job use it as an unnecessary filtering mechanism. More people thus get degrees because it's needed for jobs, and the vicious cycle continues. Yes, getting a PT job will be 'good for your CV', but thousands of other students have the same. Not very competitive if you do just any degree.

Also a loan is one thing (fair enough, it's more like a graduate tax). But for many families with high income on paper, like the OP the parental top-up is a problem.

3 years of FT uni shouldn't be the 'default' option. Plenty of degrees aren't even very academic, they exist for the sake of degrees (say 80% 'coursework' which is just worksheets, or a simple report, and a couple of academic essays). Or have the same content as a professional qualification (in which case, just do that, it's cheaper, and some unis even offer top-up degrees with a final dissertation for the piece of paper).

Btw I used to think the same, that a degree was everything. I have changed my opinion now..

Belladonna12 · 20/02/2022 19:58

Hasnt it always been that most students work over the summer holidays?

Most can easily earn a couple of grand over the summer, without taking in any term-time work. That is a decent contribution to what a government loan might not provide. Yes, for most whose family income means minimum living loan is given, it won't cover the full gap, but it will reduce what a parent needs to give.

Of course they can work in the summer holidays and most do but the money earned would usually be required in addition to the amount given in a full loan so it doesn't negate the need for parents to make up the amount if their child doesn't get the full loan. The full loan is only to cover the basics and rent for nine months of the year. Some of the summer earnings could be used for the rest of the year but a lot will be used up during the summer so really won’t make up for a lack parent contribution. They will usually have to pay rent during the summer holiday even if they're not living there for example. DD had to pay £1,500 last summer so not much left of her earnings.

worriedatthemoment · 20/02/2022 20:08

@sanbeiji but it is what it is
My ds could only get a min wage job at best in the city he will go to uni in and accommodation would take most of his wage and the jobs would be dead end so he would struggle to progress
Lack of apprenticeships and companies taking on youngsters and bringing them through the Ranks makes it hard and until times change uni is def best option in my ds case ,

bexxboo · 20/02/2022 20:41

I'd be a bit pissed off if I was working my arse off to provide for my family and help with uni living costs for my children if they then got given 100K each and I still had to continue working my arse off.

Your all acting like none of you would be the same as OP.

You aren't being unreasonable.