Fucked off with Brexit

[Allison453]

I live in Northern Ireland. I have today tried to purchase 3 separate items from companies in the EU and one in the mainland.

They all state they don’t deliver to Northern Ireland because of Brexit

How has this happened where there is a border in the Irish Sea.

I can have parcels delivered to Ireland - no problem. Mainland UK - no problem

Northern Ireland - nope.

We are still part of the UK nothing has changed!!!

I’m so pissed off

I would expect additional charges maybe if the parcel has to be delivered through UK and on to us. I did not expect that years later this would still be an issue

No wonder the Northern Ireland government has collapsed! I fully support the collapse, maybe Westminster will finally take some action, although I doubt it

Fuck you Brexit. Send me my parcel

@SnowdropCrocus

That said, they do say you get the government you deserve The government I deserve is the one I voted for which would have cancelled brexit. Anyway, I'm out now the discussion keeps returning to insinuating it's all brits to blame regardless of how we voted.

I'm not insinuating that all brits are to blame. I was using you in the plural rather than singular sense so you, as a nation, get the government you deserve.

You, as a nation, have an electoral system that results in your current situation. Individuals need to campaign and agitate for a change to that system. The fact it has not happened to a sufficient degree to effect that change has resulted, and will continue to result, in governments like you currently have.

I have the utmost sympathy for those of you who voted against brexit and who do not vote Tory. I do not in any way, shape, or form think you are personally responsible.

If you are looking at the referendum then you might want to kick the tyres on whom you think were the beneficiaries of the outcome.

@Zilla1

If you are looking at the referendum then you might want to kick the tyres on whom you think were the beneficiaries of the outcome.

Scots nationalists Irish nationalists Vladimir Putin Nigel Farage Boris Johnson Hedge funds Manufacturers of red tape Those seeking employment as customs officials EU fishing industry The legal profession

@OpheliaThrupps I like your thinking but perhaps also the populist press and media conglomerates for whom effective regulation up to the ECJ and Commission that couldn't be influenced at Westminster level and traded for political assistance? The same as those who don't want a BBC publicly-funded unless the alternative is one that competes for advertising.

I'd also expand your list of non-EU states that benefit beyond Putin/Russia.

The sad list would be those who thought they'd be the beneficiaries but who will be ultimately disproportionately disadvantaged. The farmers I know seem to be realising they shot themselves in both feet when they voted to stop being part of a lobby that the French government are terrified. The fishing industry seem to have realised there is the catching of the fish and then the selling of the fish.

The sad list ...

I've managed to control my grief

On the surface it appears that the DUP intransigents are once again in the business of wrecking good things for NI in the name of loyalty to the United Kingdom.The Border in the Irish Sea is a particular annoyance to them.

The NI economy is doing very well under the Protocol, but manufacturing has problems due to supply issues where goods originate in EU but pass through UK for modifications etc. before arriving in NI. Exports of goods to ROI are thriving thanks to the Protocol and Free Movement of goods.

Perhaps Westminster do not want to showcase NI as a success story. Imagine a country doing well under the Protocol which allows free trade and movement as if it were still in the EU. Heaven forbid!

Anyway I have grave doubts that a United Ireland will happen any time soon. Despite what some think, ROI is not that enamoured with having to take over a country that is largely funded from Westminster, together with the inevitable political danger, and of course the NHS. Yes, those in ROI aspirationally would like the country to be united, but in reality are not so definite about it and all that it might bring.

ROI doesn't need UK so much anymore anyway. It has paddled its own canoe for a long time and rebuffed calls to reduce Corporation Tax which led to an influx of pharma and IT to the well educated population. I am aware that a minimum CT rate has now been agreed (only for companies with significantly large turnover), but it is still a lot lower than that of UK.

I am sorry that NI is suffering in many ways, but it is down to intransigence politically on behalf of parties like DUP as mentioned. They need to see the wood for the trees, otherwise turkeys will be voting for Christmas by ticking their box. But there again I think NI has a single transferable vote system (for MLAs) anyway.

It will take a long time to heal divisions that feed into Brexit related difficulties for NI, but there is hope.

As someone who wants an easy life, and who does a bit of selling on ebay, I no longer buy or sell other than mainland UK. Life is too short to deal with delays, paperwork etc, and unless it is mainland UK I can't guarantee I won't have hassle.

Sorry to NI buyers and sellers - but you are no longer part of my world.

@NotMyGenderGoblin

As someone who wants an easy life, and who does a bit of selling on ebay, I no longer buy or sell other than mainland UK. Life is too short to deal with delays, paperwork etc, and unless it is mainland UK I can't guarantee I won't have hassle.

Sorry to NI buyers and sellers - but you are no longer part of my world.

I got stung for IE customs on a bit of fabric from the UK so I'll not be buying from a UK supplier any more, my next order will be coming from Belgium.

Perhaps Westminster do not want to showcase NI as a success story. Imagine a country doing well under the Protocol which allows free trade and movement as if it were still in the EU. Heaven forbid!

NI is going to be an interesting (and possibly embarrassing) control for the brexit experiment. It has been left within the EU internal market and customs union. If brexit is a success we will see the GB part of the economy soar as NI languishes, tied to the EU corpse.

Or something else may happen!

Either way, it will be hard to avoid the evidence (although Johnson has always been very good at it )

If the UK had PR, I seriously doubt that they would have a Conservative majority government for the foreseeable future. They would however have to get to grips with Rainbow Coalitions...and going by past coalitions, they don't seem to suit the UK population very well (it nearly wiped out the Lib Dems).

they wiped themselves out, they campaigned on a pledge of free uni places, then joined with the tories and gave students and everyone else the finger, total backtrack.

I don't know how to do the quote copying thing.

@OpheliaThrupps

Boris won't need to ignore evidence the DUP (ulster says no) party will jump up and down about not supporting UK suppliers and it proves the protocol is a failure.

Boris Johnson took a red hot poker and shoved it up Northern Ireland's ass. The people of Northern Ireland didn't even want the red hot poker, except for the maniacs in the DUP who, for some reason, think the rest of the UK gives a shit about NI, whereas at least half of the UK couldn't even point it out on a map. Most people on mainland UK have literally no clue about NI, or the troubles or the impact this shiteshow of a Brexit is having on them.

We're in a dark place - corrupt, incompetent, extremist libertarian leaders- who thanks to FPTP and too many poorly educated, racist voters, will probably remain in power.

Plus the economic calamity of Brexit.

So yearning for the halcyon days of early-Blair !

But it’s always the posters who voted remain and took into consideration the difficulty/importance of the NI situation who comment on these threads.

Where are all the threads from those who voted for Brexit who now realise they were conned or those who have changed their minds? Why aren’t they starting threads about how they feel let down by the Vote Leave/Boris Johnson/JRM/ERG etc

I mean it should be obvious by now what a mess/con/shitfest Brexit is. Why aren’t leave voters fuming?

@IpanemaPeaHen

But it’s always the posters who voted remain and took into consideration the difficulty/importance of the NI situation who comment on these threads.

Where are all the threads from those who voted for Brexit who now realise they were conned or those who have changed their minds? Why aren’t they starting threads about how they feel let down by the Vote Leave/Boris Johnson/JRM/ERG etc

I mean it should be obvious by now what a mess/con/shitfest Brexit is. Why aren’t leave voters fuming?

But we have crowns on point glasses, blue passports and less tax on domestic flights.

All massive wins from Brexit. Probably all those Brexiteers are too busy enjoying their new found freedoms to post on here.

@jgw1

You forgot duty free. There is duty free now

I'm not sure libertarian is consistent. Some libertarian, some statist, some authoritarian, some populist. An interesting, inconsistent mix unless someone sees a coherent bigger picture and can explains it to me.

@Zilla1

I'd also expand your list of non-EU states that benefit beyond Putin/Russia.

Also people who have money in British tax havens and didn't want to be bound by the new EU anti-money laundering directive. That was one of the main reasons for Brexit and why the campaign machine was so well-funded.

Also why there was this rush and pressure to get it done at any cost, before the directive was implemented in the UK and beneficiaries had to be disclosed.

As always, follow the money.

It seems like madness to a normal citizen because for all of us, it is total madness. But this was orchestrated very deliberately.

@OpheliaThrupps

The sad list ...

I've managed to control my grief

Yup. Those people deserve everything they get for being so stupid and sticking their fingers in their ears when every sane and rational person with relevant knowledge or experience told them that this was a stupid idea.

As a PP said, stupid is as stupid does.