Fucked off with Brexit

[Allison453]

I live in Northern Ireland. I have today tried to purchase 3 separate items from companies in the EU and one in the mainland.

They all state they don’t deliver to Northern Ireland because of Brexit

How has this happened where there is a border in the Irish Sea.

I can have parcels delivered to Ireland - no problem. Mainland UK - no problem

Northern Ireland - nope.

We are still part of the UK nothing has changed!!!

I’m so pissed off

I would expect additional charges maybe if the parcel has to be delivered through UK and on to us. I did not expect that years later this would still be an issue

No wonder the Northern Ireland government has collapsed! I fully support the collapse, maybe Westminster will finally take some action, although I doubt it

Fuck you Brexit. Send me my parcel

@MorningStarling

Perhaps the Irish Republic could join a customs union with the UK. This would resolve the border issue entirely. The limited trade between the Republic and mainland EU could be checked at the time.

Alternatively, there could just be a straightforward free trade agreement between the EU and UK, but of course that wouldn't "punish" the UK so can't happen.

I don't think they could. It would affect the integrity of the EU border, because Ireland has free movement of goods and labour, just like we used to.

@balalake

I have never supported the cause of Ulster Unionism. However I think the government headed by Boris Johnson has sold them down the river. A Brexit deal could have been done without this.

How would you resolve the Irish border issue without breaching the Belfast Agreement then?

How would you resolve the Irish border issue without breaching the Belfast Agreement then?

Irish unification makes that problem go away.

Ultimately, the citizens of NI are going to have to decide how much they are willing to pay to remain part of the "U"K. £1,000 per head ? £2,000 per head ? Plus whatever the effect of being a second class citizen is. Admittedly I'm not 100% "British" but I don't think being a UK citizen is worth that much if you can be a citizen of another first world democracy.

@MorningStarling

Perhaps the Irish Republic could join a customs union with the UK. This would resolve the border issue entirely. The limited trade between the Republic and mainland EU could be checked at the time.

Alternatively, there could just be a straightforward free trade agreement between the EU and UK, but of course that wouldn't "punish" the UK so can't happen.

Given that 50% of our exports go to the EU and 64% of imports come from the EU, that would be a stupid move.

The EU was quite happy to have a straightforward free trade agreement with the UK. They were not, however, happy to change the rules in order to give the UK an advantage member states didn't have.

The UK did brexit to itself. Nobody is punishing you. They just aren't willing to allow you to have your cake and eat it.

But you carry on with your post-colonial victim mentality.

@AlexaShutUp

It's actually astonishingly arrogant to suggest that another sovereign nation should abandon its existing trade relationships in order to solve a problem that the UK has singlehandedly created! Unbelievable!

Yes, but does Ireland not know who the UK is?

Regarding NI, we frequently brought the issue up on the Brexshit threads before the referendum, and I well remember one particularly edifying response from a Quitling; "Not my monkeys, not my circus".

That's the level we're dealing with...

Does seem interesting the political parties most vocally in favour of the UK political Union arguably seem to be jeopardising 2/4ths of it.

@PleasantBirthday

*As someone who lives in the Republic of Ireland, we were in a customs union with the UK.

The UK left that union.*

I think they mean one run by the UK to the detriment of Ireland.

We were in one of them too. It took us 800 years to get out of it.

@jgw1 - Well we know that many in Northern Ireland want to be part of the Republic, its hardly news.

Ian Paisley Jnr's constituents most definitely do not want to be part of the republic. He is DUP, as anti-Irish as it is possible to be.

@LakieLady - How would you resolve the Irish border issue without breaching the Belfast Agreement then?

A soft brexit whereby the UK remained in the SM and the CU.

Given the closeness of the vote and the issues re the GFA, it would have been a sensible compromise that could have been revisited in the future once the magical IT systems were written.

@DGRossetti

How would you resolve the Irish border issue without breaching the Belfast Agreement then?

Irish unification makes that problem go away.

Ultimately, the citizens of NI are going to have to decide how much they are willing to pay to remain part of the "U"K. £1,000 per head ? £2,000 per head ? Plus whatever the effect of being a second class citizen is. Admittedly I'm not 100% "British" but I don't think being a UK citizen is worth that much if you can be a citizen of another first world democracy.

This is not the way we want reunification to happen.

I aspire to a united Ireland. However, I want it to happen by true consent, not with many begrudgingly voting for it as they are screwed either way and who will work against the republic going forward as they don't really want to be part of it.

@OchonAgusOchonOh - But you carry on with your post-colonial victim mentality.

Drops the mic!!!!!!

Same.

Brexit never really effected me when I lived in England, but now I live in a different European country it ruins my day regularly. Makes me so angry, it's so unnecessary. We've gained nothing and lost so much.

Brexit is shit. So shit that the Rees- Mogg idiot is asking for ideas for opportunities to keep the illusion going 6 years after they got people to vote for it after promosing bollocks.

Yanbu. Sadly brexit voters won't give a toss. I'm still angry about it. Especially as they had the opportunity to vote against it in the general elections when it became obvious it was a shit show and they'd been lied to

In the event of a 50.1+% vote in favour of NI unifying with RoI, can anyone envisage this leading to a peaceful, stable polity even if transition can be managed without bloodshed?

Irish unification makes that problem go away.

Ultimately, the citizens of NI are going to have to decide how much they are willing to pay to remain part of the "U"K. £1,000 per head ? £2,000 per head ? Plus whatever the effect of being a second class citizen is. Admittedly I'm not 100% "British" but I don't think being a UK citizen is worth that much if you can be a citizen of another first world democracy.

To half of NI this is just as offensive as Irish people find the suggestion of Ireland rejoining the UK. It's not my background but I fully understand their position.

This is why a Brexit that works for NI is impossible unless the UK stays in a customs union and single market with the EU. There needs to be free movement of goods and people between ROI, NI and GB for the illusion created by the GFA to continue.

YANBU. The whole thing is crap but particularly so for people in NI.

This is not the way we want reunification to happen

If history has taught us one thing, it's that - with the possible exception of the USA - countries leaving the grasp of the UK rarely get to do so on their own terms.

Or, TL;DR you can't always get what you want

To half of NI this is just as offensive as Irish people find the suggestion of Ireland rejoining the UK.

Many offensive things are also true.

@DGRossetti

This is not the way we want reunification to happen

If history has taught us one thing, it's that - with the possible exception of the USA - countries leaving the grasp of the UK rarely get to do so on their own terms.

Or, TL;DR you can't always get what you want

Actually, we can. We get to vote on it so it can be deferred until circumstances are more suitable.

Once again English lets us down with no distinction between second persons singular and plural ...

@MorningStarling

Perhaps the Irish Republic could join a customs union with the UK. This would resolve the border issue entirely. The limited trade between the Republic and mainland EU could be checked at the time.

Alternatively, there could just be a straightforward free trade agreement between the EU and UK, but of course that wouldn't "punish" the UK so can't happen.

Why on earth would we? Exports to Britain in December were €14 billion. The EU accounted for €61 billion. Basic maths says that is a terrible idea.

Basic maths says that is a terrible idea.

This is not an argument which is likely to be comprehended by anyone who voted for brexit

Brexit is a shit show, as many knew and warned it would be. Unfortunately we will have to wait for a few more years before the 52% realise they’ve been conned, our country is a laughing stick and Brexit has cost us Billions.

Im feel so sorry for the people of Ireland and NI whose have been well and truly shafted.