Fucked off with Brexit

[Allison453]

I live in Northern Ireland. I have today tried to purchase 3 separate items from companies in the EU and one in the mainland.

They all state they don’t deliver to Northern Ireland because of Brexit

How has this happened where there is a border in the Irish Sea.

I can have parcels delivered to Ireland - no problem. Mainland UK - no problem

Northern Ireland - nope.

We are still part of the UK nothing has changed!!!

I’m so pissed off

I would expect additional charges maybe if the parcel has to be delivered through UK and on to us. I did not expect that years later this would still be an issue

No wonder the Northern Ireland government has collapsed! I fully support the collapse, maybe Westminster will finally take some action, although I doubt it

Fuck you Brexit. Send me my parcel

Those that voted for it tend to fall into 3 camps- rich enough to see advantages (tax reasons, distressed assets purchases etc, 2nd homes they can nip too- if just not for months on end). People who genuinely believed the ‘nothing will change’ proclamations by UKIP/right wing Tory’s and believed more money for NHS etc (basically naive people) or people who have zero understanding at all of trade and commerce and how it all fits together- people with very UK centric mindsets and don’t give a shit about others livelihoods or businesses

@LizzieSiddal

Brexit is a shit show, as many knew and warned it would be. Unfortunately we will have to wait for a few more years before the 52% realise they’ve been conned, our country is a laughing stick and Brexit has cost us Billions.

Im feel so sorry for the people of Ireland and NI whose have been well and truly shafted.

This. Turkeys voting for Christmas- I don't actually feel sorry for them, they had all the information they needed if they had bothered to look for it.

I do feel sorry for those who didn't vote for it but are suffering the consequences

@HannibalHeyes

Regarding NI, we frequently brought the issue up on the Brexshit threads before the referendum, and I well remember one particularly edifying response from a Quitling; "Not my monkeys, not my circus".

That's the level we're dealing with...

Remember having this debate at work. Several didn't even realise NI was part of the UK. Some others didn't care about the consequences to NI.

I think the average voter didn't give a fuck about NI, if they thought about it at all.

@MorningStarling

Perhaps the Irish Republic could join a customs union with the UK. This would resolve the border issue entirely. The limited trade between the Republic and mainland EU could be checked at the time.

Alternatively, there could just be a straightforward free trade agreement between the EU and UK, but of course that wouldn't "punish" the UK so can't happen.

ROI join a custums union with the uk to solve an England created issue !!! So Britian yet again used the north of Ireland as a politcal football at the expense of all including there own kind . You dont want anything to do with the ROI except now to safe you from back stabbing brits and the England that you want to be part of !?! Good look with that 😄

@AlexaShutUp

*Someone on my facebook suggested that the problem could be solved if the Republic of Ireland just became part of the UK.... I despair.*

FFS, what is wrong with these people?

The british living in the colonial dark ages as they do thought Ireland could be told what to do . What was it Boris said about Varadkar "why isint he called Paddy " . How wrong the british perseption of Ireland is even after all thats happened since 2016 they still havent grasped the consept of united we stand divided they fall ,and Ireland is a united nation externaly and in my life time internaly.

Tiocfaidh ar la mmmm....... tá ár lá tagtha. Britian needs Ireland to save them oh how the tables have turned 😄

As you know many British people voted against brexit and the tories, but it's probably more fun to lump as all together as getting what we deserved eh?

@Zilla1

In the event of a 50.1+% vote in favour of NI unifying with RoI, can anyone envisage this leading to a peaceful, stable polity even if transition can be managed without bloodshed?

Can you see the brexit border issue ending with out blood shed , I cant . Britian started , maitained , stocked the fires of and will always use the war to achieve its own ends . Nothing new there at least a vote to unite will be an invitation to join a peaceful country that is united with europe in many positive ways.

Omg the daft poster who thinks that to save NI the Irish Rep have got ito get nto bed with the British again, is so utterly clueless about the history of our two countries - are you 10 years old or Nigel Lawson - he had the same stupid idea? I’m from NI - I live in England, no way would I trust a Johnson /Tory Government to respect Good Friday agreement/International law - they have shown themselves to be the liars and deceivers they are - doing business with shits comes at a cost - you call it punishment, I consider it self preservation - the Brexiteers made their bed - we have all been forced to share in their idiotic fantasy.

@Trapiche

As you know many British people voted against brexit and the tories, but it's probably more fun to lump as all together as getting what we deserved eh?

Fun , watching people suffer and die in Ireland is far from that . Saying we didnt vote for it is a weak defense . From a teen if in Ireland if ye didnt agree with the gov you protested marched , fought for change till it changed. Saying he/they did it would be laughed at. If youve done that in the uk then hold your head up high if not shame on you .If youve fought for peace in Ireland then stand proud wherever your from if not shame on you.

@Trapiche

As you know many British people voted against brexit and the tories, but it's probably more fun to lump as all together as getting what we deserved eh?

Many people voted against brexit. However a very large percentage voted the tories in to "get brexit done". You, as a nation, got what you voted for.

I am so annoyed with Brexiteers - they are a crowd of useless shites - whinging about life - blaming every other fucker, but it isn't the Europeans that created the problem, it's the stupid Tory Gov. Sure limit the labour supply and watch about rates increase - that effects you too, try paying for a plumber atm - we need tax reform and the NI increase is not the answer!

Just on the parcels issues. I had an issue with ordering from a UK company which not only not deliver to ROI , but also would not accept ROI credit card as payment to a NI address. The alternative? Try a German site. It is the same with Amazon . Bit trivial in the great scheme of things but it is the inconvenience of trade at this personal level that brings home to NI exactly what Brexit means for them.

It is quite amusing for us here to see how Boris thinks like Queen Victoria with her Empire. He cant even manage his own staff , never mind the country. And thinks the UK contribution to the EU was irreplaceable.

Several didn't even realise NI was part of the UK. Some others didn't care about the consequences to NI

Er, the clue is in the name. United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland

If only we could have asked people to read and understand some basic factual information about what was being given up instead of nonsense propaganda before they were allowed to vote, then surely we wouldn't be in this mess because it would only have taken a small change in votes to have gone the other way.

Many people voted against brexit. However a very large percentage voted the tories in to "get brexit done". You, as a nation, got what you voted for.

Less than half the people who voted in the last GE voted for the Tories.
Got to love FPTP.

Here is a radical thought or suggestion.

Make voting mandatory. Everyone over the age of 18, unless they have a reason why they cannot make it to a voting booth, has to vote.
If they don't vote, they are fined.

Then it would be really clear whether Brexit was a good idea or not or whether the Conservative Party would be in power again.

Make it mandatory to vote. The millennials will show us the way!

@Crikeyalmighty

Those that voted for it tend to fall into 3 camps- rich enough to see advantages (tax reasons, distressed assets purchases etc, 2nd homes they can nip too- if just not for months on end). People who genuinely believed the ‘nothing will change’ proclamations by UKIP/right wing Tory’s and believed more money for NHS etc (basically naive people) or people who have zero understanding at all of trade and commerce and how it all fits together- people with very UK centric mindsets and don’t give a shit about others livelihoods or businesses

This!

How can the conservatives have a 80 seat majority if they got less than half the votes.

FPTP if I understand it correctly means the first person to reach the required number of votes wins the seat. Therefore the majority had to have voted conservative to top the poll first.

Plus if I'm understanding correctly, staunch labour areas voted conservative.

How can a party with a surplus of 80seats get less than the other parties in the general election?

@DublinFemale HNRTT but in answer to what I think your question was is because in many seats there are more than two parties so the winning party might secure much less than half the votes. Also, some seats (these used to tend to be Labour) have more voters than others. Finally, the losing parties can win seats with huge majorities but every vote over the amount the second best party is, in effect, 'wasted'. This can affect all the winning parties. The aggregate of these and so other dimensions mean the party that secures a majority tends not to have an absolute majority. It sometimes means the winning party doesn't get more votes than the official opposition that got the second highest number of seats but often means they got fewer votes than all the other parties combined.

I read that N.Irish people living in European countries were writing Ireland (not Northern Ireland) on parcels they were sending back home (without a postcode). Then they get delivered to the ROI and transported up to NI and the Royal Mail system. Cheaper and more reliable.
This is all I have to offer. Brexit sucks. The DUP are arseholes. (And I’m a N.Irish prod).

@Mocara Kindly don't think I believe the current Brexit border issue will have a happy outcome. The only way I thought that would happen would be to maintain membership of the Single Market and Customs Union and comply with the GFA and forget about the 'buccaneering trade deals' hence my white house and mud metaphors Then again, I never thought the benefits of leaving the EU would exceed the costs, nor that voluntarily sharing sovereignty with the EU was unacceptable. My post was merely to speculate and that I didn't agree with posters that any vote and unification with RoI would be a happy process either given both the history and the preference some politicians haev for playing to their base rather than compromise. My take on reunification is that it would probably be bloody too together with lots of hypocritical position shifting amongst politicians of all sides taking the mirror positions they have previously decried. Much like UK tories positions on Brexit and Scottish independence. Hope I'm wrong and things muddle through with compromise though I'm not sure some politicians in NI always see the value in compromise.

About 43% voted tory I believe in the last election. The rest were spread among other parties.

It's been the case for many years that when a party wins, more voted fir other parties than for the winning party. We don't have proportional representation. We have FPTP. You can't really argue with people who are determined to tar an entire nationality with the same brush though.

Many people voted against brexit. However a very large percentage voted the tories in to "get brexit done". You, as a nation, got what you voted for.

43% of the vote, turnout 67% at the last general election, so by no means do the majority of the British vote Tory and the system is broken anyway so that parties like the Tories require less votes to gain a seat.

dont assume the rest that didnt vote are too lazy to care, I have turned up to vote at the ballot box and then spoiled my ballot as there is no one on it I can vote for.

@DublinFemale

How can the conservatives have a 80 seat majority if they got less than half the votes.

FPTP if I understand it correctly means the first person to reach the required number of votes wins the seat. Therefore the majority had to have voted conservative to top the poll first.

Plus if I'm understanding correctly, staunch labour areas voted conservative.

How can a party with a surplus of 80seats get less than the other parties in the general election?

Say there are 10,000 voters in a consituency.

4,000 vote for the tories
3,000 for labour
2,000 for lib dems
1,000 for I dunno, the greens

The tories win despite more people voting against them than for them..

Shit, isn't it.