Fucked off with Brexit

[Allison453]

I live in Northern Ireland. I have today tried to purchase 3 separate items from companies in the EU and one in the mainland.

They all state they don’t deliver to Northern Ireland because of Brexit

How has this happened where there is a border in the Irish Sea.

I can have parcels delivered to Ireland - no problem. Mainland UK - no problem

Northern Ireland - nope.

We are still part of the UK nothing has changed!!!

I’m so pissed off

I would expect additional charges maybe if the parcel has to be delivered through UK and on to us. I did not expect that years later this would still be an issue

No wonder the Northern Ireland government has collapsed! I fully support the collapse, maybe Westminster will finally take some action, although I doubt it

Fuck you Brexit. Send me my parcel

its laughable fuck knows where they get it from, man do they huff and puff if I ever talk about my grandfather he won a medal in ww2 for catching a SS officer and was a bugle boy in ww1, he was disgusted by the British establishment, he would have got on well with Harry Patch, the way these Brexiteer types bellow about WW2 makes me think they never actually knew/spoke too anyone/family members involved at the sharp end of it, its all bollocks they spout from watching too many films like Dam Busters which is utter drivel and has nothing to do with reality, my other grandfather had involvement with that operation and firestorm etc, he did recon work over Germany, taking pictures before and after, the raids were horrific, he wasn't proud of it

The vast majority of people who actually lived through the war voted to remain, IIRC. It was the next generation- their children- who were statistically most likely to vote leave by age.

but the point is the Tories wouldnt have had a majority if other bastards hadn't stepped in to help them.

That was the previous government though. Do you think that if they hadn't been in coalition from 2010 they'd have been any less beholden to right-wing loons by 2015?

@MorningStarling

Perhaps the Irish Republic could join a customs union with the UK. This would resolve the border issue entirely. The limited trade between the Republic and mainland EU could be checked at the time.

Alternatively, there could just be a straightforward free trade agreement between the EU and UK, but of course that wouldn't "punish" the UK so can't happen.

I've lost IQ points just reading that moronic rambling.

I find their passport thing virtually unforgiveable - when I challenged them on that they said "but we are entitled". Yes, yes you are. So so angry

I would find it very very difficult to be in their company @hanahsaunt.

This has caused so much fall out among families I know and I don't see any coming back from the ones where Brexiters then went on to acquire EU passports.

@Allison453

I live in Northern Ireland. I have today tried to purchase 3 separate items from companies in the EU and one in the mainland.

They all state they don’t deliver to Northern Ireland because of Brexit

How has this happened where there is a border in the Irish Sea.

I can have parcels delivered to Ireland - no problem. Mainland UK - no problem

Northern Ireland - nope.

We are still part of the UK nothing has changed!!!

I’m so pissed off

I would expect additional charges maybe if the parcel has to be delivered through UK and on to us. I did not expect that years later this would still be an issue

No wonder the Northern Ireland government has collapsed! I fully support the collapse, maybe Westminster will finally take some action, although I doubt it

Fuck you Brexit. Send me my parcel

YABU

It is the will of the people.

Interesting article in the Guardian today about this. Basically saying that the Tories are massively supporting Boris over Partygate because if he is found guilty he is them guilty of misleading parliament. And then the public might start to challenge the Tories about other misleading comments in parliament, with particular regard to the Brexit lies, and specifically the NHS bus.
www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/feb/16/panic-boris-johnson-allies-brexit-unravelling-michael-heseltine?utm_term=620dd653293a7d76d3b14b06409ae6d9&utm_campaign=GuardianTodayUK&utm_source=esp&utm_medium=Email&CMP=GTUK_email

Well Jacob Rees Mogg was recently given the job of finding Brexit benefits. He’s decided to ask Sun readers for their wish list so he can make them come true… I wish this was fake news but it isn’t.

www.thesun.co.uk/news/17603553/sun-readers-tell-me-of-eu-regulation-abolished/amp/

I also cannot believe I used to live in a serious country.

We’re now reliant on Sun readers to search for Brexit benefits. To this day, I cannot believe a majority of people voted for this and I wish that only they were the ones to suffer for it.

@TheMerrickBoy

If the obvious and logical outcomes of Brexit look like 'punishment' maybe that's because it was a stupid idea and a stupid thing to vote for.

This about sums it up.

Six years in and we’re still searching about for those pesky Brexit benefits. Perhaps these Sun readers will have more luck.

JRM did say it might take 50 years…

@UserWithNoUserName

its laughable fuck knows where they get it from, man do they huff and puff if I ever talk about my grandfather he won a medal in ww2 for catching a SS officer and was a bugle boy in ww1, he was disgusted by the British establishment, he would have got on well with Harry Patch, the way these Brexiteer types bellow about WW2 makes me think they never actually knew/spoke too anyone/family members involved at the sharp end of it, its all bollocks they spout from watching too many films like Dam Busters which is utter drivel and has nothing to do with reality, my other grandfather had involvement with that operation and firestorm etc, he did recon work over Germany, taking pictures before and after, the raids were horrific, he wasn't proud of it

The vast majority of people who actually lived through the war voted to remain, IIRC. It was the next generation- their children- who were statistically most likely to vote leave by age.

And they clearly never spoke to anyone who was alive at the time about WW2 and their views.

thats what I mean they huff and puff at me when I point out my grandfathers had no problems with the german people they were victims of lying politicians same as us.

@FatFredsFriedEgg

but the point is the Tories wouldnt have had a majority if other bastards hadn't stepped in to help them.

That was the previous government though. Do you think that if they hadn't been in coalition from 2010 they'd have been any less beholden to right-wing loons by 2015?

Yes I do.

different people, different outcome.

Bit strange to fully support the collapse of government by the DUP because you are pissed off at Brexit brought to you by the DUP.

Anyway for a lot of deliveries if you put your normal address in and use Ireland as your country it will work. Parcel goes to Dublin and they send it on up.

@MorningStarling

Perhaps the Irish Republic could join a customs union with the UK. This would resolve the border issue entirely. The limited trade between the Republic and mainland EU could be checked at the time.

Alternatively, there could just be a straightforward free trade agreement between the EU and UK, but of course that wouldn't "punish" the UK so can't happen.

As someone who lives in the Republic of Ireland, we were in a customs union with the UK.

The UK left that union.

This was something that Theresa May had in her negotiations but the Conservative Party rejected as a possibility to remain in the customs union so Boris could deliver a "We've completely left" message.
This is that outcome.

@MorningStarling

Perhaps the Irish Republic could join a customs union with the UK. This would resolve the border issue entirely. The limited trade between the Republic and mainland EU could be checked at the time.

Alternatively, there could just be a straightforward free trade agreement between the EU and UK, but of course that wouldn't "punish" the UK so can't happen.

The UK had free trade, we decided to leave so now we don't.

*As someone who lives in the Republic of Ireland, we were in a customs union with the UK.

The UK left that union.*

I think they mean one run by the UK to the detriment of Ireland.

@UserWithNoUserName Someone on my facebook suggested that the problem could be solved if the Republic of Ireland just became part of the UK....I despair.

Seriously???? I give up!

We left the commonwealth. We're a REPUBLIC. We don't want to be part of the dis-United Kingdom.

The Republic of Ireland is quite happy to remain IN the EU.
The UK wanted out of the EU and this is the fall out from that. I feel sorry for you @Allison453 looking to get stuff ordered online. I know what you're feeling because there were plenty of UK based companies that prior to Brexit would be able to deliver to Northern Ireland but a few kilometres further down the M1 to Dublin was just a bridge too far for them to deliver. Now it seems as thought it's in reverse.

‘thats what I mean they huff and puff at me when I point out my grandfathers had no problems with the german people they were victims of lying politicians same as us.’

Sorry but I don’t buy the ‘victims’ angle. They were seduced by people telling them what they wanted to hear. It was a long con on a grand scale but like Nigerian Prince scams, you can only be caught out if you were a little greedy in the first place.

There were tons of opposing information. Nearly every economist and dreaded ‘expert’ at the time said voting Leave would not benefit everyday people. However, a chunk of people put their fingers in their ears and only wanted to hear how Brexit would only fuck the metropolitan elite (because former bond trader and privately educated Farage was a man of the people), Londoners, foreigners, bankers and the EU).

Despite what they now claim, most leave voters knew the £350m a week for NHS was bollocks. It was never about voting for positive things, it was about hurting others. Eventually like the victims of Nigerian Prince scams, they’ll realise the £100 they paid in order to secure £1m was a lie. No everyday person was ever going to benefit from this.

Apparently the NHS has already got it's £350million a week. So there's no point complaining about that anymore. Another Brexit promise delivered.

Also the rest of the world is quaking in it's boots at the prospect of Brexit Britain. So that's alright too.

@PleasantBirthday

*As someone who lives in the Republic of Ireland, we were in a customs union with the UK.

The UK left that union.*

I think they mean one run by the UK to the detriment of Ireland.

The Republic of Ireland was in a customs union with the UK. We were joined by 25 other countries. It was called the EU. The UK left the EU by means of a referendum.

I don't think they meant one run by the UK to the detriment of Ireland. I think they are sheeple and follow the herd mentality that they don't understand the concept of an economic union, a customs union or anything else that was voted for back in 2016 but they are beginning to feel the impact of that and clearly not liking it very much so want to blame someone so Ireland is as good a punchbag as anything else and there you have it.

@LookItsMeAgain, I think you misunderstood my post. It was, at best, a weak witticism (well, that may be over complimenting it) based on what a customs union between the UK and Ireland would be like, based on our past experience of it, and how that would differ from the EU.

Alternatively, there could just be a straightforward free trade agreement between the EU and UK, but of course that wouldn't "punish" the UK so can't happen.

FTAs remove tariffs and quotas. They don't remove non-tariff barriers and regulatory borders, and it's those that @Allison453 is complaining of, and those are slowly but surely causing such damage to the British economy. The only way to remove them is to create a single market (as Margaret Thatcher pioneered) with regulatory alignment. Borders, checks and red tape unavoidably exist where there are two different sets of regulations. If the regulations are aligned the border becomes irrelevant and vanishes. That's a single market - the EU's is the most sophisticated example in the world.

By the way a country (Ireland for example) can only be in one customs union. It would be crazy for the Irish to leave the huge EU economy to team up with brexit Britain. (It was crazy for the UK to do so of course, but they're beyond help )

[quote All4Love]Well just putting this here

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/unionist-ian-paisley-jr-mp-constituents-apply-republic-of-ireland-eire-passports-a7102761.html[/quote]
Well we know that many in Northern Ireland want to be part of the Republic, its hardly news.

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At first glance, it's perhaps telling that none of the pro-Brexit actors seem to have ever set out any plausible solution to meeting the requirements of the GFA, remaining in the single market and having the freedom to sign those buccaneering trade deals.

Was astonished some of the Tory Brexiters had the cheek to say the EU should come up with solutions.

The comedic 'I expect there's some magic IT solution to implement a new way of managing borders and trade that doesn't exist anyway and would take decades to implement and would require the EU to agree anyway' was a high point.

Blaming the EU for maintaining the integrity of the Single Market seems both wrong and comedically likely to reduce trust on the UK's main trading partner too. Agreeing to Treaties then deliberately breaking what you asked for and agreed to seems a particularly short sighted way of securing trust for the future.

It's almost like the pro-Brexit wanted borders without understanding what they meant and don't understand how the borders they asked for must operate after they decided to trigger the Article and drive headfirst at the wall with no gap at top speed.

A strategy of instructing UK border officials not to perform their duties and the UK not meeting its obligations under the protocol because we don't like the consequences of what we asked for and agreed to seems unsatisfactory.

I do find it particularly odd that a pro-Brexit party in NI don't seem to like what appear to be the inevitable consequences of Brexit and don't seem willing to own the consequences of Brexit to their own supporters. Would have more respect if they said it would screw business and inconvenience the public but we should welcome that if it means we leave the EU and distance NI from RoI. Trading Teresa May's rubbish proposals with something much worse then not wanting to perform the obligations inherent in that deal seems unsatisfactory too. Still trousering the £bn must make things a little better. Oh no it's a matter of principle though don't expect the £bn back.

To mix metaphors, Brexit and the Single Market is like the ex-wife having a modern house with white paint, white curtains, white wool carpets and fragile ornaments. The UK is the ex-husband with several large muddy dogs wanting to come in their ex-wife's house without knocking after working on the farm all day, He insisted on a quickie divorce and agreed to a bunch of things in the settlement that he had no intention of complying with but can't expect his ex-wife to be happy for him to swim in manure and sit on the white sofa.

@Xiaoxiong

I remember bringing up NI to an ardent Brexiteer I knew back in 2016 and he literally said "oh whatever, they can be part of the ROI" while handwaving away any further discussion. I was absolutely speechless.

I brought up the NI issue to my Brexit-supporting MIL.

After I'd explained the issue, she said "Oh well, it can all go back to being one country".

I thought she meant unification of Ireland, but she meant the ROI rejoining the UK! She really couldn't see why that might be a problem.

But yes, it's shit and NI has been shafted. Well, we've all been shafted, but NI has been shafted the most.