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Did my friend try to scam me?

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didshedidntshe · 16/02/2022 17:10

I’ll try and keep this as short as possible.. I live in a flat share with 2 girls, Chloe and Molly. Our contract states that we have to have a clean at the end of each year, also we are all moving out so need an end of tenancy clean.

Molly said that she would deal with arranging the clean, which cost £150, so £50 each. The clean was communal areas only, we have a hallway, bathroom and an open plan kitchen/lounge. On the day of the clean, Molly text us to say that the cleaners had been there for 6.5 hours, and we had only paid for 4 hours, so it would be an extra £60 (£20 each), I said this seemed excessive for what is basically 3 rooms.. but whatever, Molly advised that it was a deep end of tenancy clean so would take longer, fair enough. Once it was done, Molly sent over some photos, I noticed that there was a mans reflection in one of the photos but I just assumed maybe it was one of the cleaners, although they were wearing smart shoes which I don’t think cleaners would wear..

I got home later in the day and saw some litter outside our flat (cloths and empty bottles of cleaning stuff), When I walked in I could tell that the floors hadn’t been cleaned, and as I walked into the lounge I saw that all the furniture and everything was in completely random places.. it wasn’t even like they had tried to put stuff back in a logical place, the sofas were left in the middle of the room, the cutlery drawer left wide open and was a complete mess with it all just chucked in there, I found pasta and coffee pots in the boiler cupboard, the tv was left all unplugged and not where it should be etc, the whole place was a mess to be honest, if I hadn’t known that a clean had taken place I probably would have thought we had been robbed. Chloe and I spent an hour putting everything back in the right place and tidying up. I then looked round the rest of the flat, and the toilets looked like they had had bleach put in them, but no scrubbing or anything done, there were still marks on the floor that were easily washed off, the coffee table still had dust on it etc

I messaged Molly to say that the place was left in a mess and we’ve spent an hour putting stuff back in the right place and that the floors hadn’t been cleaned and said she should speak to the company about not paying the extra money we were charged and she got really defensive, saying that the floors were wet when she picked the keys up and she said ‘give them a break it was only £70 each’ which isn’t the point in my opinion ..

I then asked if she could send us the receipt for the clean, because our landlord would want to see it, so she sent me it and I then left a bad review on the companies trust pilot. The company responded to my review saying please can you contact us as we have no record of you, so I contacted them and gave them the name of my flatmate and our address etc, and they said they had no record of my address, so I sent them a copy of the invoice and they said that although the invoice had their logo on it, it wasn’t there’s as it was a totally different format to there invoices and the website written on the invoice wasn’t there’s, but was a dead site.

I messaged Molly to tell her all this, and she responded saying that her boyfriend who works at an estate agents had booked it through his work, so that would be why the company had no record of it… which doesn’t make any sense to me. She then said she would get her boyfriend to speak with them if we still want to complain. Just to double check, I went back to the company and gave them the name of Molly’s boyfriend and company he works at, and they said that no there was still no record and that they don't work with estate agents. I didn’t say anything more to molly because we are/were good friends and I didn’t want to be accusatory but I thought it was all pretty weird. Molly said she would ask her boyfriend to contact the company with our complaints and I kept chasing her for an update on this, each time she replied, it was clear that she had had no involvement in arranging the clean and hadn’t even been to the flat after it was finished.

Molly then sent me a screenshot of a message she received from her boyfriend saying ‘I’ve fucked up, we use a software to create all our invoices for cleans done on properties and I’ve mixed up your clean with another one that was done on the same day. Please apologise to her for me, and I’m going to try and get the money back from the cleaners as they want more business done with his company’

Again this makes zero sense to me.. because why would the estate agents be making invoices for cleaning companies, surely the cleaning companies would make their own invoices and send them to the estate agents. Anyway she then sent another screenshot where he said that the actual company was reimbursing us the full amount.

I find this all really bizarre, so I called up the correct company but they refused to speak to me and said I had to go through our ‘agent’ (mollys boyfriend), I then got my male friend to call up and the lady told him that a clean was done at my flat but only one room..

I am basically thinking, Molly paid for her room to be cleaned, then her boyfriend quickly ‘cleaned’ the rest of the flat, and they pocketed the money? Then once I kept on at them they panicked and just sent the whole lot back...

Sorry it’s long but what do you think..

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sanbeiji · 16/02/2022 20:51

Definitely report to the estate agent/police.
They deserve each other

didshedidntshe · 16/02/2022 20:56

@Dibbydoos

Dodgy as F. Is Molly easily lead? What a cheapskate!

Honestly boggles tge mind at hoe little money can buy a person integrity!!!

She comes across as this dominant character but I don't think she is really, and would say she is easily lead.. for example, about six months after I first met her, I went out with her and some of her friends, and they all did drugs and suddenly she wanted to do coke, I had never heard her mention anything about drugs before then, she also always smoked when she was around them, but never when she was in the flat with me
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Clarinet1 · 16/02/2022 21:01

One other thing - if Jack is an estate agent with certain professional registrations or works for a firm which belongs to certain bodies he could well have broken some kind of code of conduct which could lose him his job. Therefore definitely report this to his employer.

Regularsizedrudy · 16/02/2022 21:02

This thread is just further proof that estate agents can’t be trusted

winterchills · 16/02/2022 21:08

Yes she's defo tried to pull a fast one! Cheeky cow!!

RosiePosieDozy · 16/02/2022 21:26

She is no friend. Whether she is easily led and was encouraged by her boyfriend is irrelevant. She has tried to scam you, repeatedly lied to you and still won't tell you the truth.

I am glad you won't have to live with her anyone. She sounds toxic.

justasking111 · 16/02/2022 21:26

I wonder if the boyfriend is scamming estate agent clients tenancy wise. That's fraud and was done by someone we knew. Cleaning, gardening, boiler servicing, pat testing all were scams carried out by this awful man who conned both the owners and his employer

Gonnagetgoing · 16/02/2022 21:33

Definitely scammed you. Just don’t stay in touch.

AllOfUsAreDead · 16/02/2022 21:38

@Regularsizedrudy

This thread is just further proof that estate agents can’t be trusted
What? Confused

She was definitely trying to scam you op. Sneaky bitch. Oh well, the moron is going to get involved with drugs next, watch as her life goes tits up. She may come back to you then wanting friendship, I would ignore her personally. Her own fault.

Graphista · 16/02/2022 22:00

Yep! She's taken the piss!

You got your money back for the clean did you get your deposit back ok?

Definitely end the friendship

@Mumoftwoinprimary idea is a good one

ScurryfungeMaster · 16/02/2022 22:19

I agree with you completely, they definitely tried to scam you. I'm glad you got your money back but I wouldn't be considering her my friend anymore if I were you.

tcjotm · 17/02/2022 04:54

I removed it as soon as I spoke to the company, before that I had no real reason to think that it wasn't them who had done a shit job

@didshedidntshe

Oh good, I thought you would have done but you’ve had so much to sort out it might’ve slipped your mind.

I’d probably drop them a note thanking them for their very swift replies as it helped you untangle a very concerning situation. They are probably super curious themselves

Coka · 17/02/2022 05:31

Did she try to move out early to avoid the cleaning/cleaning fee then get annoyed when you managed to get permission for it to be done early?

MsChatterbox · 17/02/2022 05:50

I wouldn't be sending a fake text. She knows you know. If I was to do anything, it would be to say I am contacting the police to report fraud. Although I'm not sure I would actually tell them I would probably just do it.

Anniegetyourgun76 · 17/02/2022 06:21

Tbh I'd report her to the police. Had a similar situation years ago and that's what I did, she was a thieving cow as well.

Sideswiped · 17/02/2022 06:39

Arrange your own clean and charge her for her share.

didshedidntshe · 17/02/2022 07:14

@tcjotm

I removed it as soon as I spoke to the company, before that I had no real reason to think that it wasn't them who had done a shit job

@didshedidntshe

Oh good, I thought you would have done but you’ve had so much to sort out it might’ve slipped your mind.

I’d probably drop them a note thanking them for their very swift replies as it helped you untangle a very concerning situation. They are probably super curious themselves

Yeah, the company asked me to which is fair enough and of course I did. They're very curious.. they have asked for the name and company of the person who gave me the invoice impersonating them, so I have given them this and they can do what they want with it, I think I will probably leave it there
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didshedidntshe · 17/02/2022 07:16

@Coka

Did she try to move out early to avoid the cleaning/cleaning fee then get annoyed when you managed to get permission for it to be done early?
I don't think she's moved out early specifically to avoid the clean but I do think it annoyed her when I spoke to the landlord to make sure that she pays her share of it, when I first text her to say that we should ask for some money back and she responded all defensively, she was saying stuff like 'I've had to arrange all of this when I didn't have to, I could have just moved out and left it to you' etc
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RevolvingPivot · 17/02/2022 09:35

What had she said about everything you found out?

Sad thing is if they did. Better job you might not have even noticed.

didshedidntshe · 17/02/2022 10:26

@RevolvingPivot

What had she said about everything you found out?

Sad thing is if they did. Better job you might not have even noticed.

I havnt straight out said are you lying because I'm finding it all very confusing and don't want to be accusatory incase I'm wrong, atm I'm just asking questions and none of her answers make sense to me, she just keeps saying her boyfriend arranged it all, when she sent the screenshot of her bf's message saying he had fucked it and given us the wrong invoice, I asked for the name of the actual company that did the clean and she just kept saying that she'll get her bf to contact them, I said I could contact them and she said it would be easier if he did and just kept not properly answering my questions
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Davros · 17/02/2022 11:39

Going back to the invoice number 🥱, the template says 0001 but anyone with any sense would change it to start from a different number. If possible

didshedidntshe · 17/02/2022 11:49

@Davros

Going back to the invoice number 🥱, the template says 0001 but anyone with any sense would change it to start from a different number. If possible
Yep haha so dumb. Once the company had confirmed it wasn't them, I looked at the invoice properly and thought the invoice number was weird because it's literally number 1 lol that's when I googled invoice templates to see how easy it is to make an invoice, and found the exact template on the first link I clicked!
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Harmonypuss · 17/02/2022 17:47

She 'TRIED' to scan you but when she got found out she gave you your cash back.

Basically, you're not out of pocket, so if ditch the 'friend' and put it down to experience. If you're ever in a similar situation again make sure you're Earith present for the clean or organise it yourself then you can't be scammed by a so-called friend again.

ManOfKent · 17/02/2022 17:51

Wow - Bad Molly indeed!
Very disrespectful, and not even clever enough to do a proper clean and pocket the money. Had they have done so, you would never have queried it.

pinkpirlie · 17/02/2022 17:52

I think it needs reporting to the lettings agent he works for. If he's collaborating in fraud, he may be doing similar to other tenants when arranging their cleans.

Also that's an insane amount to pay for a clean. My cleaner does my whole 4 bed house for £30 weekly. If she did a deep clean I would expect it to be twice as long maybe. No way would it take 6.5 hours to clean 3 rooms.