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Virginia Guiffre and Andrew settle out of court

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Suzanne999 · 15/02/2022 16:15

From Metro
Prince Andrew and Virginia Giuffre have reached a ‘settlement in principle’ in the civil sex claim filed in the US, court documents show

Does this show his guilt? Water down in some way his actions? I’m sure some will say this proves she was only in it for the money. I think she and a lot of underage girls were abused but because of the wealth involved those guilty will never face justice. Can’t understand why I feel sad about this outcome.

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Gonnagetgoing · 15/02/2022 16:51

I don't think she was in it for the money and she was trafficked - as to whether she was underage - well she says she was.

There will be the armchair lawyers and the ones who'd defend all sleazy men who say she's wrong and a money grabbing chancer.

There are others who say she should have gone further and taken it to court, or the photo is faked.

I think she's probably sick of the whole thing and presumably wants her life/reputation back.

I worked briefly with UKTI who had Prince Andrew as their figurehead - whatever you call it. His PAs/Private Secretaries couldn't actually say anything but according to my colleague they hated him and presumably for good reason!

Blossomtoes · 15/02/2022 16:51

@tkwal

Blossomtoes, that's not what I remember from the news at the time , no I don't personally know any other veterans but I know there was no room for passengers .
I’m married to one. Trust me, everyone who was there knows he was wrapped up in cotton wool. The media coverage was royalist propaganda.
TheKeatingFive · 15/02/2022 16:52

But I've listed some credible reasons why he would settle whether or not he's guilty.

And just because you think they're credible doesn't mean they actually are. His reputation is trashed because of her, we all know that.

VanCleefArpels · 15/02/2022 16:52

@tkwal

Blossomtoes, that's not what I remember from the news at the time , no I don't personally know any other veterans but I know there was no room for passengers .
I do know that his Navy colleagues thought he was an entitled shit who never let anyone forget he was Royal. Not a good look on a ship where teamwork and camaraderie are vital in a crisis
AlternativePerspective · 15/02/2022 16:52

Very interesting to see who on MN feels the need to stand up for creepy Prince Andrew. Remember, he wouldn't even bother to piss on you if you were on fire... thinking that one person is not genuine doesn’t equal “sticking up for creepy prince Andrew,” but do alter that thinking to suit your narrative.

The fact is that whenever there are high profile cases like this one there are people who are prepared to stand up and go all the way for their own means and not really for the justice they say they want.

Even in high profile cases where people have been accused of multiple abuses there are people who think that they should jump on it to see what they can gain. They of course make things harder for the genuine victims, but people are naive if they think that whenever there is a high profile case, every single person who claims to be a victim is.Even in Jimmy Saville’s case there were people exposed as saying they were victims of his just for the money. Acknowledging that doesn’t equal sticking up for the abuser.

Gonnagetgoing · 15/02/2022 16:52

In the Emily Maitliss interview you can tell he's lying - if a lie detector test was done he would 100% fail.

Innocenta · 15/02/2022 16:53

@UserBotLurking9to5

Yes, she did her best. I cant believe people are saying they dont believe her. Why, cos randy andy would never do this? You saw the interview right...
Some people will look for anything they can find to damn a woman and to disbelieve her. It's heartbreaking to see it happen here.
TerraNovaTwo · 15/02/2022 16:53

@Innocenta

Very interesting to see who on MN feels the need to stand up for creepy Prince Andrew. Remember, he wouldn't even bother to piss on you if you were on fire...

But do continue caping for him if it makes you feel good. Hmm

So incredibly true.
Gonnagetgoing · 15/02/2022 16:53

@VanCleefArpels - I spoke to his Private Secs once or twice and you could tell they hated him and had contempt.

Gilmorehill · 15/02/2022 16:53

The money is going to her charity. She is not benefitting financially.

ENoeuf · 15/02/2022 16:54

So the truth will never come out then and it will all be half truths insinuation and unproofed accusations beyond Epstein abusing women.
He died before trial
Maxwell was convicted of procuring girls for him (no other names came out in the trial)
Giuffre has appeared to settle rather than take anything to trial (Epstein and Andrew)

Gonnagetgoing · 15/02/2022 16:55

@TheKeatingFive

But I've listed some credible reasons why he would settle whether or not he's guilty.

And just because you think they're credible doesn't mean they actually are. His reputation is trashed because of her, we all know that.

@TheKeatingFive - and his reputation should be trashed - if going on rumours or evidence of what he has done.
oakleaffy · 15/02/2022 16:55

Guiffre is “Lucky” to get a huge payout.
What about all those much younger children whose lives have been tainted by sexual abuse..

No payday for them.

Andrew was of course guilty as sin, but a big payout would enable her to have an easy life now.
All those voiceless kids… Not so.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 15/02/2022 16:55

I think they didnt want this playing out in Public

Exactly - and especially, as you said, with the Jubilee coming up

It's just another example of the RF using money (most likely ours) to make things go away, and as I've said from the very start there's simply no way Andrew was ever going to see a courtroom or be questioned by skilled professionals

Aprilx · 15/02/2022 16:55

@TheKeatingFive

I thought he was determined to fight his case? Hmm
You could say that about her too?
mummykel16 · 15/02/2022 16:55

Wonder how much the lawyers have creamed off, bet they did better than the charity

notwavingbutdrowning5 · 15/02/2022 16:55

All the people saying it was ‘always about the money for her’ - whatever you think about the Prince Andrew claim, she is the victim of a convicted paedophile and a convicted sex trafficker. I really don’t think victim blaming should be part of this conversation.

tickingthebox73 · 15/02/2022 16:55

[quote Giraffesandbottoms]@TerraNovaTwo

What do you mean? The photo was fake?[/quote]
Almost certainly.

This was only ever about money, not justice.

Gonnagetgoing · 15/02/2022 16:56

@ENoeuf

So the truth will never come out then and it will all be half truths insinuation and unproofed accusations beyond Epstein abusing women. He died before trial Maxwell was convicted of procuring girls for him (no other names came out in the trial) Giuffre has appeared to settle rather than take anything to trial (Epstein and Andrew)
@ENoeuf - if Diana was bumped off by FBI as most people believe - then I'm sure Giuffre has been threatened. Hence her not going to trial.
1forward2back · 15/02/2022 16:56

It was only ever a civil case, I think. Settling out of court just prevents him having to go to court and avoids all the media attention. I’m not sure it’s an admission or indication either way.

Innocenta · 15/02/2022 16:56

@AlternativePerspective just coincidentally, quite at random, thinks this particular victim is faking it. Hmm

I mean. OkAY. I'm not going to question your right to share your opinion, but in turn, you have to accept that others will regard it as anti-victim, anti-woman, hateful and ultimately pretty bizarre.

RestingMurderousFace · 15/02/2022 16:56

[quote Innocenta]@RestingMurderousFace Do you always draw equivalencies between abusive men and victims? Or is it just because he's royal...? [/quote]
Actually I'd hoped she'd take it all the way and humiliate the bastard. Feel free to make as many assumptions as you like about me though.

TheKeatingFive · 15/02/2022 16:56

You could say that about her too?

She's not the one needing to salvage her reputation. That's him. Oops, mission unaccomplished.

oakleaffy · 15/02/2022 16:58

@Gilmorehill

The money is going to her charity. She is not benefitting financially.
If thats the case, I retract my above comment.
Soffit · 15/02/2022 16:58

@Gilmorehill

The money is going to her charity. She is not benefitting financially.
It would have been better for the details to have been out in the open. Other women are more likely to learn from that then the trickle of knowledge that a charity funded campaign may impersonally produce over a period of time. That's assuming it is a legit charity to which she is dedicated in the long term. I can't help thinking that guilty or innocent, she is probably not very nice to have enjoyed hanging out in that crowd for whatever reason. It's the Mother Theresa sort who are usually dedicated to charities once the PR incentives have dried up
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