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Virginia Guiffre and Andrew settle out of court

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Suzanne999 · 15/02/2022 16:15

From Metro
Prince Andrew and Virginia Giuffre have reached a ‘settlement in principle’ in the civil sex claim filed in the US, court documents show

Does this show his guilt? Water down in some way his actions? I’m sure some will say this proves she was only in it for the money. I think she and a lot of underage girls were abused but because of the wealth involved those guilty will never face justice. Can’t understand why I feel sad about this outcome.

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Blossomtoes · 16/02/2022 16:01

[quote Monopolyiscrap]@Blossomtoes not a trait I admire.[/quote]
Your admiration isn’t something I crave. 😊

Roussette · 16/02/2022 16:01

LottyD32

Blaming victims of sex trafficking really does you no favours.

Do you think the crimes didn't happen? If so, I would contact the Maxwell family if I were you... they'd love you onside fighting Ghislaine's case for them.

Monopolyiscrap · 16/02/2022 16:03

@Blossomtoes Just as well then.

Monopolyiscrap · 16/02/2022 16:04

@Roussette Yes it is depressing how many posters are basically saying variations of - she asked for it.

VanGoghsDog · 16/02/2022 16:05

@TheKeatingFive

The expediency and financial advantages of a settlement have been explained numerous times.

Of a settlement, perhaps.

Of a settlement of 12 million, no not really.

How much do you think a team of top lawyers, cross-Atlantic, covering US law etc would cost?

You wouldn't get change from £10m. And the time, transport, etc of all the witnesses. And he might actually have been think of the impact on his wider family of having a case brought.

TheKeatingFive · 16/02/2022 16:08

How much do you think a team of top lawyers, cross-Atlantic, covering US law etc would cost?

I'm not actually buying that a woman with no case whatsoever requires 12 million to go away.

And I don't think I'm entirely alone there.

mathanxiety · 16/02/2022 16:11

She was involved in “recruiting” other girls so arguably a “trafficker” (using same principle that led to Maxwell’s conviction)

No, the very obvious differences were age, personal closeness to Epstein, friends in high places/family connections including PA, and continuous possession of her passport, not to mention her piles of money.

This settlement was concluded just before discovery was about to get under way, and PA was talked into it by lawyers who knew his lies would be exposed. He had no proof to back up the 'can't sweat' statement. He had no proof of a party in the Pizza Express in Woking.

He made both of those claims in an attempt to portray himself as a patriot/ war hero and Andy the family man who eats pizza in Woking.

The fool.

mathanxiety · 16/02/2022 16:13

How much do you think a team of top lawyers, cross-Atlantic, covering US law etc would cost?

They would have taken on this case pro bono if they were smart.

Blossomtoes · 16/02/2022 16:13

We don’t actually know how much it was. The amounts being bandied about in the media are guesses. I imagine the settlement is as little as his lawyers could negotiate.

TheKeatingFive · 16/02/2022 16:15

I imagine the settlement is as little as his lawyers could negotiate.

Yeah it's quite clearly not very little though, is it?

Blossomtoes · 16/02/2022 16:18

It might be in the grand scheme of the negotiations, we’ll never know, will we?

tickingthebox73 · 16/02/2022 16:20

@TheKeatingFive

How much do you think a team of top lawyers, cross-Atlantic, covering US law etc would cost?

I'm not actually buying that a woman with no case whatsoever requires 12 million to go away.

And I don't think I'm entirely alone there.

...but seriously no one knows how much it is.

It may be £12m, or it may be fifty quid. We don't know and we will never know. It's part of the legal agreement on both sides that we never know.

"Experts" are putting at at $10m, and £12m, but these are just stabs in the dark.

My guess (given he's just sold the chalet) and gained £12m is that it is less than this. He didn't have £6m to pay off the balance of the chalet, which is why that went to court.

So having sold it for £18m-less £6m owed technically leaves him with £12m if he doesn't have other debts, but that will be all he has. There are also his own legal bills. He is well known to live (well) beyond his means.

I imagine we will get a statement soon from the Queen stating she hasn't paid for it (she will have to to disassociate herself).

TheKeatingFive · 16/02/2022 16:22

It may be £12m, or it may be fifty quid.

If it is actually 50 quid, you don't think the royals may have found away to counter the numerous press reports?

C'mon now, it's getting a bit silly.

TheKeatingFive · 16/02/2022 16:25

My guess (given he's just sold the chalet) and gained £12m is that it is less than this. He didn't have £6m to pay off the balance of the chalet, which is why that went to court.

But this is a totally topsy turvy argument. Giuffre wouldn't care how much 'chalet money' he has. Sources would be found, we all know that. Presumably she held out for what she thought she was worth.

Roussette · 16/02/2022 16:26

No we don't know how much but it's hardly like to be £20,000 is it...

And let's not forget the lawyers fees for all of this, again who pays for those? At the last estimate they were up to £2-3million.

I would imagine a total amount of a minimum of £10M

Roussette · 16/02/2022 16:27

So having sold it for £18m-less £6m owed technically leaves him with £12m if he doesn't have other debts, but that will be all he has

He had a mortgage on it

VanGoghsDog · 16/02/2022 16:28

@mathanxiety

How much do you think a team of top lawyers, cross-Atlantic, covering US law etc would cost?

They would have taken on this case pro bono if they were smart.

What? Why?

tickingthebox73 · 16/02/2022 16:28

@TheKeatingFive

It may be £12m, or it may be fifty quid.

If it is actually 50 quid, you don't think the royals may have found away to counter the numerous press reports?

C'mon now, it's getting a bit silly.

But there are a lot of people "quoting" that it is £12m - which is just not the truth. No one knows how much it is - that is the whole point of the agreement....

PA doesn't have £12m, (we know he doesn't have £6m as he's just been to court for not paying the balance on his chalet!) so it's unlikely to be that much and none of the Royals will have stumped up as it's too toxic to be involved in.

TheKeatingFive · 16/02/2022 16:32

none of the Royals will have stumped up as it's too toxic to be involved in.

Too toxic not to be involved in. I think that's what you really mean.

Let's face it - ANY amount of money would have been found to avoid this trial.

And if it is considerably less than 12 million, I think the form would have a duty to counter the press reports as inevitably there will be speculation as to what revenue streams its coming from. And that, hasn't happened. So, yeah.

TheKeatingFive · 16/02/2022 16:32

Form not form

tickingthebox73 · 16/02/2022 16:34

@Roussette

No we don't know how much but it's hardly like to be £20,000 is it...

And let's not forget the lawyers fees for all of this, again who pays for those? At the last estimate they were up to £2-3million.

I would imagine a total amount of a minimum of £10M

Unless he's borrowed it (which I think is unlikely given his history with money and the toxicity of this case), I personally think it'll be sub £5m, including lawyers fees (my own opinion).

Just keen to make the point people keep quoting £12m, but no one knows, and he doesn't have £12m.

TheKeatingFive · 16/02/2022 16:37

Just keen to make the point people keep quoting £12m, but no one knows, and he doesn't have £12m.

And don't know why you think that's relevant. Loans, gifts, financing all exist and would be part of how anyone pays a fine or settlement in the courts.

TheKeatingFive · 16/02/2022 16:38

One source (The Telegraph?) specifically says the Queen was paying it. Again, if that's not true, they have a duty to counter it officially to quell speculation about its source.

Roussette · 16/02/2022 16:40

Just keen to make the point people keep quoting £12m, but no one knows, and he doesn't have £12m

I'm totally the payout and lawyers fees together to reach a possible £10M

Blossomtoes · 16/02/2022 16:41

@TheKeatingFive

One source (The Telegraph?) specifically says the Queen was paying it. Again, if that's not true, they have a duty to counter it officially to quell speculation about its source.

They don’t have a duty to do anything of the sort.

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