Page 32 | Virginia Guiffre and Andrew settle out of court

Suzanne999 · 2022-02-15T16:15:35+00:00

From Metro Prince Andrew and Virginia Giuffre have reached a ‘settlement in principle’ in the civil sex claim filed in the US, court documents show Does this show his guilt? Water down in some way his actions? I’m sure some will say this proves she was only in it for the money. I think she and a lot of underage girls were abused but because of the wealth involved those guilty will never face justice. Can’t understand why I feel sad about this outcome.

Monopolyiscrap · 16/02/2022 11:27

@MuffinStrops Until the last year the Queen was very firmly in control of the family.
Imagine a matriarch of a family firm with a secret service who can report back on any concerns about members of those families. That is what happens.And of course it has to. The Queen has to be told about anything that could present a threat to the Royal Family. It would be wrong to keep her in the dark.

Blossomtoes · 16/02/2022 11:28

And you know this how @Monopolyiscrap? Even if you’re right, what was she supposed to do about it? 🤷‍♀️

Pedalpushers · 16/02/2022 11:29

Oh for goodness sake, the Queen is not your dear old nana, she is head of state of the United Kingdom and the Commonwealth. I'm not claiming she absolutely knew exactly what her son was getting up to or that she actively covered it up but the reputation of her family is one of her main concerns and it is absolutely her business to know who her children associate with and dealings that would bring the crown into disrepute. Her family is a business and she is the CEO.

LampLighter414 · 16/02/2022 11:32

Get rid of them all.

Spongers.

BigFatLiar · 16/02/2022 11:34

In cases like this its often cheaper to settle out of court. Even if you're innocent it can cost a lot to defend a case with little prospect of getting any of it back.

The only ones that win in these cases are the lawyers.

Blossomtoes · 16/02/2022 11:36

Oh for goodness sake, the Queen is not your dear old nana, she is head of state of the United Kingdom and the Commonwealth

She’s both.

ClaudineClare · 16/02/2022 11:36

@Pedalpushers

Oh for goodness sake, the Queen is not your dear old nana, she is head of state of the United Kingdom and the Commonwealth. I'm not claiming she absolutely knew exactly what her son was getting up to or that she actively covered it up but the reputation of her family is one of her main concerns and it is absolutely her business to know who her children associate with and dealings that would bring the crown into disrepute. Her family is a business and she is the CEO.

Exactly.

Pazuzu · 16/02/2022 11:37

I very much doubt HMQ knew what he was doing. She may have had suspicions like everyone else, but I massively doubt that she'd protect him if the evidence was there (which unless I'm missing something is fairly circumstantial at best).

If the case was clearly dodgy, then I think she'd come out and support. As it is, she's taken pretty harsh steps against him which in any other employment would be actionable. Dismissed him from office (rank/titles) and massively diminished his earning power going forward? Former Prince with questions hanging over his head doesn't look quite as good on the CV as HRH this/that/the other.

The question of why he has settled if he's innocent? Firstly, cost grounds. Settlement is most likely cheaper than trial and appeal costs. Secondly, if you were his legal team, would you want to put him on the stand? He's not the most sympathetic of characters at the best of times. Finally, there is always the risk in such cases of losing.

Of course he's settled.

AuntyBumBum · 16/02/2022 11:41

@Pazuzu

I very much doubt HMQ knew what he was doing. She may have had suspicions like everyone else, but I massively doubt that she'd protect him if the evidence was there (which unless I'm missing something is fairly circumstantial at best).

If the case was clearly dodgy, then I think she'd come out and support. As it is, she's taken pretty harsh steps against him which in any other employment would be actionable. Dismissed him from office (rank/titles) and massively diminished his earning power going forward? Former Prince with questions hanging over his head doesn't look quite as good on the CV as HRH this/that/the other.

The question of why he has settled if he's innocent? Firstly, cost grounds. Settlement is most likely cheaper than trial and appeal costs. Secondly, if you were his legal team, would you want to put him on the stand? He's not the most sympathetic of characters at the best of times. Finally, there is always the risk in such cases of losing.

Of course he's settled.

There's also the fact that having this dragging on through his mother's jubilee year world rather detract attention from the main event

Monopolyiscrap · 16/02/2022 11:44

It is bullshit that he is innocent and has settled on cost grounds. If that was true he would have settled years ago before spending millions on lawyers.
He has settled because he is being advised he faces a real risk I think of being found guilty.

Newnamefor2022 · 16/02/2022 11:44

I wonder if any of the girls that VG groomed and trafficked will sue her, now that she is flush with cash? It's like a horrible MLM...

Blossomtoes · 16/02/2022 11:45

There's also the fact that having this dragging on through his mother's jubilee year world rather detract attention from the main event

That ship’s sailed. Some commentators will be unable to resist pointing out his absence at every available opportunity.

Monopolyiscrap · 16/02/2022 11:46

Why are some posters determined to believe that Andrew is innocent?
You really believe the Woking Pizza Express cant sweat man is someone you can believe and trust what they say?
Or maybe like most of the public you believe he is clearly a big fat liar.

Monopolyiscrap · 16/02/2022 11:47

@Newnamefor2022 no they may sue Prince Andrew though. If he is involved with any other teenagers who have been trafficked, they may now step forwards.

Blossomtoes · 16/02/2022 11:51

@Monopolyiscrap

Why are some posters determined to believe that Andrew is innocent? You really believe the Woking Pizza Express cant sweat man is someone you can believe and trust what they say? Or maybe like most of the public you believe he is clearly a big fat liar.

I haven’t seen anyone proclaim his innocence. Maybe you could highlight the posts that say that? He’s guilty as sin, we’ve all known that since Maitlis eviscerated him. It’s just that some of us think blaming the Queen is a bit rich.

tiktokontheclock · 16/02/2022 11:53

@VanCleefArpels

Weaknesses in her case:

Above age of consent in the jurisdiction in which incidents occurred
She was involved in “recruiting” other girls so arguably a “trafficker” (using same principle that led to Maxwell’s conviction)
Lack of primary corroborated evidence

They were likely to go big on the second of these at trial so was always likely to settle.

It was also pointed out that the prosecution didn't call her to testify at the Ghislaine case because her own story has changed so many times and she's profited off the allegations several times - they didn't think she was a reliable witness.

Andrew is an entitled sod who's had it coming to him for a while.

Monopolyiscrap · 16/02/2022 11:54

@Blossomtoes there are very recent comments on this thread saying he is innocent. And of course, he is guilty.
I do not blame the Queen, he did the crime. But of course the Queen knew some of what was happening. The security service will brief her on any issues of concern about Royal Family members. And if she really does not have such a briefing, then she is negligent. It is obvious due diligence for what is a family business.

Lockdownbear · 16/02/2022 11:54

@Newnamefor2022

I wonder if any of the girls that VG groomed and trafficked will sue her, now that she is flush with cash? It's like a horrible MLM...

That's possibly the reason a chunk of money has gone to her charity rather than her. She isn't entirely innocent and that would have come out in court.

I also think if any other girls were going to claim him they'd have done it at the same time as VG.

Ponoka7 · 16/02/2022 11:55

The Queen should be aware of whose on the guest list at royal residences and whose using royal transport/security. Epstein was a convicted pedophile when he was the guest of Andrew. Taking Andrew out of the equation, Epstein and his entourage shouldn't have been welcomed. The Queen must have certainly known that Harry and Meghan were the fall guys in the media to keep Andrew off the front pages.

Monopolyiscrap · 16/02/2022 11:57

Also lets remember the photos of Spacey and Maxwell sitting on thrones etc were published in the national newspapers. So anyone with half a brain would be asking who they are, why this happened, and who allowed it. And the Queen is not stupid.
The only way the Queen did not have some idea of dodgy goings-on, was if she was fairly stupid, and I do not believe that of her.

Monopolyiscrap · 16/02/2022 11:58

@Lockdownbear more victim-blaming from you.
I really really hope you do not have children. And if you do, would you too blame them if they were abused or raped?

Lockdownbear · 16/02/2022 12:05

[quote Monopolyiscrap]@Lockdownbear more victim-blaming from you.
I really really hope you do not have children. And if you do, would you too blame them if they were abused or raped?[/quote]
She recuited other girls. They could claim her for bringing them into the mix.

What did she do to recruit, what was in it for her?

Monopolyiscrap · 16/02/2022 12:08

@Lockdownbear this is a basic element of grooming. It is how it works.
Do you also think the girls in Rotherham are not innocent as that also happened there?
What about John Wayne Gacy who got other teenage boys to bring him boys to rape and murder?
This is how grooming works. It really is 101 grooming. Please read about how this happens.

ManicPixie · 16/02/2022 12:11

So I guess good old Queenie is helping Andrew out with our money, and by the time of the jubilee celebrations we're just expected to never mention it.

What a rotten family.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 16/02/2022 12:12

There's actually another perfectly good reason why the Queen may "not have known" about Andrew, and that's that she didn't want to
It's widely reported that she takes a hands off/let them make their own mistakes with the kids, and anyway can you imagine being the courtier who had to deliver that particular news?

It's still a matter of judgement though, as were the church visit/horse rides/extra decorations for Andrew, and IMO hers stinks