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Virginia Guiffre and Andrew settle out of court

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Suzanne999 · 15/02/2022 16:15

From Metro
Prince Andrew and Virginia Giuffre have reached a ‘settlement in principle’ in the civil sex claim filed in the US, court documents show

Does this show his guilt? Water down in some way his actions? I’m sure some will say this proves she was only in it for the money. I think she and a lot of underage girls were abused but because of the wealth involved those guilty will never face justice. Can’t understand why I feel sad about this outcome.

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SecretKeeper1 · 15/02/2022 23:57

I just want to know if she’s going to go after the other men. Trump, for one, is alleged to have taken the virginity of a 13 year old when in the company of Epstein. That’s out and out paedophilia in any one’s book, no question.

ClaudineClare · 15/02/2022 23:58

ginghamstarfish for God's sake. Maxwell has been convicted in a criminal court for the crime of trafficking girls for Epstein. Does that not mean anything to you?

ClareBlue · 15/02/2022 23:58

The only penalty that could be imposed was financial and embarrassment to PA. I would say she got both of those without having to endure victim blaming nd character assassination. I think it is a good result. We don't have to live vicariously through the victim to see PA punished. The pressure on her is something non of us will ever experience. He has had to pay millions and has been exposed for the preditator he is, lost numerous privaledges and will not recover his status. The interview exposed him as a dim, entitled liar, so that was beneficial.
Millions to a charity that helps abused girls and hopefully the start of a debate on the role of the monarchy.
This isn't a bad result at all.
Hopefully she can find some peace now.
Lawyers did OK out if it which is a good thing too, not.

Monopolyiscrap · 16/02/2022 00:01

@ginghamstarfish

Not a popular opinion but having read various accounts of the young women involved, it seems very odd that they carried on going back to Epstein for sex over several years.. Also one of the girls mother's said that she was paid for every time she went. Clearly Epstein was a vile individual, but I have the impression that the young women kept returning for the 'glamour' of his wealthy lifestyle, for money and suchlike. Were they imprisoned, threatened, restrained? If so I have not heard this reported. A pity this case did not go further, but now she has the money she wanted, albeit with some allegedly going to charity.
Just like the girls in Rotherham kept going back. You do not understand grooming. If you have children, please read up on grooming so you can recognise the danger signs and protect your own children.
mathanxiety · 16/02/2022 00:10

YYY @testerwiki

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Thoosa · 16/02/2022 00:19

Sorry don’t know how I switched threads while posting!

BoredZelda · 16/02/2022 00:28

What income stream? He's still getting a cut of the SG for example.

The SG he started getting in 2001 wouldn’t have allowed him to accrue the money it took. I assume, like most in his circle, his money comes from investing.

But of course the Queen will be paying the settlement. How else could Andrew pay it?

With some of his estimated 34m net worth.

So you think that journalists could routinely reveal the identities of sources?

Nope. They use the word “understands” when they themselves haven’t verified the source. If they actually did verify it, the piece would read “a palace source” or “sources close to the Prince” or similar.

LorelaiDeservedBetter · 16/02/2022 00:31

@ClareBlue

Next up the constitutional lawyer who makes PA look like a empathetic decent human in comparison. I've never given to a gofundme page but if it supported action against him, then I would.
I doubt that will happen. They're still caught up in the defamation case and he's mooted Giuffre could stand trial since one of the victims who testified in the Maxwell case said Giuffre trafficked her.

Hopefully the US federal system will investigate all of Epstein's contacts in more detail. I'd be interested to know about his alleged relationship with the Clintons, Tony Blair, etc.

Monopolyiscrap · 16/02/2022 00:33

@BoredZelda he gets most of his money from dodgy deals.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10212461/How-DOES-Andrew-afford-lavish-lifestyle.html

There are lots of articles out there about this.
I wonder why you keep posting comments defending Andrew?

Monopolyiscrap · 16/02/2022 00:34

The Queen will pay the settlement. The sale of the Ski Chalet will help pay his lawyers fees which will be considerable. But it will be nowhere near enough to pay the settlement. The Queen however can easily afford it.

buddylicious · 16/02/2022 00:40

What's with all the victim blaming towards Virginia?

I'm not sure I blame her for "selling out". Imagine the stress she must be under at the thought of going to court against a member of the royal family, with one of the best legal teams in the world, with the world watching.

Good on her for coming this far with it.

We should be blaming Prince Andrew, who has told lie after lie about his friendships with sex offenders!

And now he doesn't have to face court (or even prison) because, unlike you or I, he can pay her off.

And where is this money coming from?

BoredZelda · 16/02/2022 00:40

he gets most of his money from dodgy deals

If the Daily Mail says so, it must be true. 🙄

But even if he did, at least it shuts down the "but it's meeeeeee, the taaax payerr who is paying" whinge

Monopolyiscrap · 16/02/2022 00:53

@BoredZelda Lots of publications say the same. Just google.

But Andrew has been running out of money. hence the sale of the ski chalet. So no he can't fund the settlement himself.

ExcuseeeeMe · 16/02/2022 01:13

@UserBotLurking9to5

Oh shit I wanted her to go to court. SHE wanted to go to court
She said no amount of money would make her settle it wasn’t about the money. Hmmm
Seemslikeagoodidea · 16/02/2022 01:20

I hope Virginia is pleased with the settlement, and that it gives her some consolation for what she went through. I gather there will also be a large donation made to a charity to support victims of similar treatment, so some good has come out of this.

PA has lost out on so many levels, it is a victory of sorts for Virginia, and shows that being rich and royal does not make anyone above the law. Interesting that he now seems to be saying that her regrets his friendship with Epstein, and that he feels sympathy for the victims... what a pity he didn't have the decency to say those things before the threat of legal action and a mountain of bad publicity forced him to try to salvage his reputation. Too little, much too late. I bet the only thing he really regrets is that he just paid a huge sum for (alleged) sexual encounter(s), which apparently he can't even remember! 😀 I think that, along with the public humiliation, is going to bother him greatly.

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viques · 16/02/2022 01:34

@Monopolyiscrap

The Queen will pay the settlement. The sale of the Ski Chalet will help pay his lawyers fees which will be considerable. But it will be nowhere near enough to pay the settlement. The Queen however can easily afford it.
He lives in a 30 room mansion. With an indoor swimming pool. In Windsor. Just imagine how much he could get from tourists to the UK if he set up as an air B and B. I imagine Fergie could rustle up a full English as an extra.......
Seemslikeagoodidea · 16/02/2022 01:37

@BringBackCoffeeCreams

I don't blame her at all. She will have been offered a life changing amount of money. Principles are all well and good but they don't put food on the table, or a roof over your kids' heads or pay for the therapy you need to get over being abused as a child.

She's made sure the whole world knows what an utter scumbag he is and no amount of payoff will reverse that. So well done Virginia, you took on a powerful abusive man and came out on top.

Exactly. She can be proud of what she's achieved, and hopefully she will now think of herself as a survivor, rather than a victim.
YanTanTetheraPetheraPimp · 16/02/2022 02:16

It does seem like a sudden about turn from his legal team especially as the deposition was initially set for 10 March. I wonder whether something else has emerged evidence-wise to precipitate this?
I’m rather bemused too by Beatrice’s involvement in encouraging him to do the Emily Mathis interview, there’s supporting your family and there’s being complicit in the lies.
I suspect that’s Andrew’s scuppered now anyway and will go down in history as a sleazy individual forever.
What an awful legacy to leave for your family.

WatchMyChops · 16/02/2022 02:38

@EmpressCixi

Does this show his guilt? Doesn’t show guilt or innocence. It is more likely that it’s a he said/she said case and both have an equal chance of winning or losing if it went to trial so neither want to risk losing. She gets money a court would award her if she won, and he avoids the prison time if he’d lost...so its win-win.

Water down in some way his actions?
Can’t water down criminal actions if they happened. But it’s one thing to have done something criminal, and quite another for anyone to prove you did it or for you to prove you didn’t do it.

Not surprised. These historic cases revolve around things that happened decades ago. So the likelihood of proof that a certain event happened is slim.

Exactly this. It doesn’t mean Virgina was after money, fame or status, even though some posters are implying this. It saddens me to think that some women could even think that misogynistic way.

The fact of the matter is that there simply isn’t enough evidence. And if the original photograph was lost, then what other solid proof did she have?

Besides, just because something is true, it doesn’t mean it can be proven in court without foolproof evidence.

Not to mention the fact that despite being a victim of a convicted pedophile and a likewise convicted sex trafficker, she also recruited other vulnerable people due to being groomed to do so, thus she wouldn’t have known what Andrew’s lawyers had up their sleeves that could tarnish her or somehow land her in hot water.

If anything, I do think she has been somewhat vindicated because apparently Andrew had to apologise. And from what I have read from the links provided here, she also has some kind of monetary retribution as well as a sizeable donation to her chosen charity so it might at least help pave the way for her to have a better life after all that she’s been through when she was very young.

Andrew will always have this over his head, his infamous interview with Emily Maitlis will be around forever, he will always be associated with a convicted pedophile and, his close friend, a convicted sex trafficker, nobody will truly know if he’s innocent or not so in so many ways, what has he really won?His reputation is now completely in the gutters. If someone has narcissistic and egocentric tendencies, the loss of a good public image, amongst other things, will lurk over their head a lot. And I strongly suspect he was advised to get this sorted quickly, for the sake of his daughters and the rest of the royal family, whilst he himself would have preferred to drag it out to prove his “innocence”.

expat101 · 16/02/2022 02:41

Years ago a former friend (out of contact now) owned a real estate agency and faced a sexual harassment in the workplace charge from a former employee.

He had put together a number of emails and the like sent from her to the office staff where she participated in and initiated correspondence of sexual humor behavior.

Despite this, his insurance company solicitors advised him to make her a settlement offer which would have amounted to about 3/4 year's salary, and was accepted.

It's called Piss Off money.

saoirse31 · 16/02/2022 02:49

:26Sloth66

The whole hereditary principle is absurd in this day and age. Charles is unpopular, yet imagine if this individual had been the first born? Unelected, unaccountable, not there on any merit. Depressing to see this still exists in 2022

So true. If he was first in place to become king what would you do? What could you do? anything? That's why an actual democracy is better than a monarchy.

And that's not dismissing at all problems that arise with democracies. But at least you wouldn't be paying for an elite group who by accident of birth had more rights than you,l etc.

I think it's something a country has to age into or grow into but I imagine the moment that you manage to get rid of monarchy will be hugely satisfying

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GiantHaystacks2021 · 16/02/2022 03:24

@Classica

Mummy got her cheque book out.
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