Page 18 | Virginia Guiffre and Andrew settle out of court

Suzanne999 · 2022-02-15T16:15:35+00:00

From Metro Prince Andrew and Virginia Giuffre have reached a ‘settlement in principle’ in the civil sex claim filed in the US, court documents show Does this show his guilt? Water down in some way his actions? I’m sure some will say this proves she was only in it for the money. I think she and a lot of underage girls were abused but because of the wealth involved those guilty will never face justice. Can’t understand why I feel sad about this outcome.

ancientgran · 15/02/2022 19:47

@MRS54321

I have a few thoughts on this : -apart from a photo , how was she going to prove it?

didn’t she want to see justice ,more than a payout?
what would have happened if he was doing guilty? He would never have served jail time?

-did she think “fuck it” and take the money cos she knew she wouldn’t get justice? If,so why not approach directly and not do this media for so long?

No judgement but I don’t think it looks good for either of them
I also dislike this move towards guilty until proven innocent …I was so shocked the crown didn’t stand by him until after the case? It makes me think that his family think he’s guilty.
I actually thought he was gay tbh…?
And if he did have sex with her-how can anyone prove he knew she was trafficked?

Shame that slippery bastard “ killed himself..”

Good points.

I don't understand about the photo, didn't she say before that she definitely had the original. Surely it should have been stored securely with evidence. I can't understand her lawyers not sorting that out.

EmpressCixi · 15/02/2022 19:48

@Classica

If you think meeting once in 15years to cut formal ties is evidence of being “friends” and “hanging out” then your head needs a wobble.

Classica · 15/02/2022 19:49

@heelforheelandtoefortoe

I think he's guilty of nothing other than making the wrong friends.

Or perhaps 'some big boys did it and ran away'.

Livelovebehappy · 15/02/2022 19:51

I’m disappointed in her. She said she would pursue it to the end. This is what happens with the rich and powerful. They always win in the end. Just look at what’s happened to Clinton, who was witnessed visiting Epstein’s mansion on numerous occasions. There’s obviously something on him out there, but we’ll never know, because it will always be covered up.

diddl · 15/02/2022 19:51

"apart from a photo , how was she going to prove it?"

She didn't have to prove it did she?

The fact that A , GM & JE were friends, A known to have flown to JE's island at the same time as Virginia was there, A seeing JE after he came out of prison?

None of that looks good does it?

Classica · 15/02/2022 19:51

[quote EmpressCixi]@Classica

If you think meeting once in 15years to cut formal ties is evidence of being “friends” and “hanging out” then your head needs a wobble.[/quote]
No need to get so nippy.

He stayed with Epstein for three days in order to 'cut all formal ties'. That doesn't strike you as being even slightly odd?

Perhaps your head is the one that needs a teeny wobble.

wealllovepj · 15/02/2022 19:52

Maybe some of the money she has now won from this civil court case will be given over to Epstein's other victims?

Smallkeys · 15/02/2022 19:52

It’s all to do with the photo being lost !

ToMockAKillingBird · 15/02/2022 19:54

@EmpressCixi

The Queen doesn't personally own the Crown Estates, nor is she entitled to the profits. If the RF was disbanded, then ALL the profits would go to the state, ie the public purse.

Waiting for someone to say 'ooh they only cost us a pound per year.' They cost a lot more than that. Wish more people would read 'And what do you do?' by Norman Baker to see how greedy and grasping this family is.

Nailsbythesea · 15/02/2022 19:55

You only have to look in the paper to see that wealth and connections and being male gives you a huge advantage.
Andrew’s money all comes from mummy which in turn came from us - the public we find them and their bloody lifestyles - Andrew has never ever done a days work in his life neither has anyone including the queen - everything is done and prepared for them - a few handshakes and job done.

EmpressCixi · 15/02/2022 19:57

A seeing JE after he came out of prison?

JE had a 13 month custodial sentence with extensive work release.

That said, A saw JE only once after the 2005 conviction and years after JE had served his sentence and was once again a free businessman. A saw him in 2010 in New York briefly to cut all formal ties. There was no party. There was no hanging out. Then A never saw JE ever again until he died in 2019 in his jail cell.

To me that’s a lot less contact than many women have with abusive shithead exes...once in 15yrs....and we would not accuse them of being “friends” and “hanging out” together....

RestingMurderousFace · 15/02/2022 19:57

@wealllovepj

Maybe some of the money she has now won from this civil court case will be given over to Epstein's other victims?

Now that's a nice thought.

Roussette · 15/02/2022 19:58

There’s no evidence that Prince Andrew had been friends and “hanging out” with Epstein as you say after the 2005 earlier conviction for molesting two underage girls. They met only once between 2005 and Epstein’s deaths in 2019, which was in 2010 in which Prince Andrew cut all formal ties with Epstein

I'm not sure that's quite correct?

I can't be arsed to look up all the dates but Epstein was at Beatrice's 18th at Windsor Castle with Ghislaine Maxwell and Weinstein in 2006
You can't tell me RF security won't have known about these investigations on JE. Affidavits had been filed on four counts of sex with minors in May 2006, he was charged and bailed before trial, the party was July 2006.

And how do you know there was no contact between them? He had more than 14 telephone numbers for PA and SF.

Mewski · 15/02/2022 19:59

@Classica

Mummy got her cheque book out.

😂💯

Classica · 15/02/2022 20:01

A saw him in 2010 in New York briefly to cut all formal ties. There was no party. There was no hanging out. Then A never saw JE ever again until he died in 2019 in his jail cell.

Why do you insist on lying? It's so odd.

Andrew himself has said he stayed in Epstein's house for three days in 2010. Three days is not brief.

youvegottenminuteslynn · 15/02/2022 20:01

@EmpressCixi

A seeing JE after he came out of prison?

JE had a 13 month custodial sentence with extensive work release.

That said, A saw JE only once after the 2005 conviction and years after JE had served his sentence and was once again a free businessman. A saw him in 2010 in New York briefly to cut all formal ties. There was no party. There was no hanging out. Then A never saw JE ever again until he died in 2019 in his jail cell.

To me that’s a lot less contact than many women have with abusive shithead exes...once in 15yrs....and we would not accuse them of being “friends” and “hanging out” together....

I don't think that's true, he admitted to staying at JE's mansion for three days in 2010 to 'cut ties'. When asked why he did this he said it was "a convenient place to stay."

At that point JE was a convicted sex offender.

Cutting ties with a sex offender doesn't need to be done face to face at all, let alone be done during a three day stay at the sex offender's home.

diddl · 15/02/2022 20:02

"That said, A saw JE only once after the 2005 conviction "

Well that's once too often isn't it?

EmpressCixi · 15/02/2022 20:03

[quote ToMockAKillingBird]@EmpressCixi

The Queen doesn't personally own the Crown Estates, nor is she entitled to the profits. If the RF was disbanded, then ALL the profits would go to the state, ie the public purse.

Waiting for someone to say 'ooh they only cost us a pound per year.' They cost a lot more than that. Wish more people would read 'And what do you do?' by Norman Baker to see how greedy and grasping this family is.[/quote]
The Queen does own the Crown Estates while she is monarch. They are not her private property, nor are they State property. The UK law says we take from the profits everything the RF costs plus extra. So while the RF costs around £82m/yr, we take around £260m/yr...the difference being like “rent” on the royal residences. Look it up my lovely.

Roussette · 15/02/2022 20:04

A saw him in 2010 in New York briefly to cut all formal ties. There was no party

Incorrect.

He stayed at JE's mansion for four days and a dinner party was held in his honour.

The consulate offered him the Governer's accommodation. He turned it down in preference for staying with JE.

By the way, before you dispute this, he said it himself in the Maitlis interview.

Here it is

EM: That was December of 2010.

PA: Yep.

EM: He threw a party to celebrate his release and you were invited as the guest of honour.

PA: No, I didn't go. Oh, in 2010, there certainly wasn't a party to celebrate his release in December because it was a small dinner party, there were only eight or 10 of us I think at the dinner. If there was a party then I'd know nothing about that.

EM: You were invited to that dinner as a guest of honour.

PA: Well I was there so there was a dinner, I don't think it was quite as you might put it but yeah, OK I was there for… I was there at a dinner, yeah.

EM: I'm just trying to work this out because you said you went to break up the relationship and yet you stayed at that New York mansion several days. I'm wondering how long?

PA: But I was doing a number of other things while I was there.

EM: But you were staying at the house…

PA: Yes.

EM: … of a convicted sex offender.

PA: It was a convenient place to stay.

EmpressCixi · 15/02/2022 20:05

@diddl

"That said, A saw JE only once after the 2005 conviction "

Well that's once too often isn't it?

No it’s not. Don’t be daft. It wasn’t a social visit, it was a business visit to cut JE off from everything to do with A.

girlmom21 · 15/02/2022 20:06

@diddl

"apart from a photo , how was she going to prove it?"

She didn't have to prove it did she?

The fact that A , GM & JE were friends, A known to have flown to JE's island at the same time as Virginia was there, A seeing JE after he came out of prison?

None of that looks good does it?

Of course she had to prove it. Just because something looks dodgy doesn't mean it is (although we all know it is). He could've been Epstein's fuck buddy and you still couldn't prove he knew what was going on or was a part of it based on what you've stated

SoupDragon · 15/02/2022 20:07

[quote Burnshersmurfs]@SoupDragon “ Prince Andrew has never intended to malign Ms Giuffre's character, and he accepts that she has suffered both as an established victim of abuse and as a result of unfair public attacks.”[/quote]
That doesn't say what you claim it said at all.

He agrees that she was the victim of abuse not that he abused her.

Roussette · 15/02/2022 20:07

No it’s not. Don’t be daft. It wasn’t a social visit, it was a business visit to cut JE off from everything to do with A

Why are you making stuff up?

He said so himself that it was a social visit with a dinner party of eight to ten people.

Do you know better than andrew lol

ancientgran · 15/02/2022 20:08

@LizzieSiddal

I’m pleased it has been settled, I believe her 100% and think answering questions in court for days on end would have been horrific for her. She’s done her job, the whole world knows what a disgusting morally bankrupt person he is.

And his statement just released states he “never meant to malign Ms. Guiffre’s character and he accepts that she has suffered both as an established victim of abuse and as a result of unfair public attacks” which to me reads that he accepts she was not lying, when all along he was saying her.

I don't think it says that (it might be true but doesn't say it.) She could be a victim of abuse and subject of unfair public attacks but what she was accusing him of wasn't true, either because she was lying or mistaken. It is lawyer speak isn't it, so it doesn't definitely say anything.

At the end of the day he was the friend of a criminal and she has lost the important piece of evidence. Neither of them look great, neither of them are proved guilty of anything. Win/win or lose/lose, depends on how you look at it.

EmpressCixi · 15/02/2022 20:08

@Roussette