Virginia Guiffre and Andrew settle out of court

[Suzanne999]

From Metro
Prince Andrew and Virginia Giuffre have reached a ‘settlement in principle’ in the civil sex claim filed in the US, court documents show

Does this show his guilt? Water down in some way his actions? I’m sure some will say this proves she was only in it for the money. I think she and a lot of underage girls were abused but because of the wealth involved those guilty will never face justice. Can’t understand why I feel sad about this outcome.

@Benjispruce5

No person innocent of abuse would pay to make it go away.. you would want to clear your name. No matter what he says, it’s an admission of guilt to the world.

Not at all! Most people I've spoken to about this have agreed that if they could pay to make something like this go away then they would. No one in their right mind would face the American justice system if they could pay to get out of it!

Every word of that statement must have felt as though he was having teeth pulled without anaesthetic. Hope he has enough money in the bank or he will have to ask his gun running friends for a loan, (I reckon Charles will have persuaded mummy to close up the cheque book)

Doesn’t really matter whether he was guilty or not, for the rest of his life people will look as though they can smell something bad on their shoes when they see him, the damage to his ego will hurt more than the financial loss.

She would have known in advance that to succeed in court she would have needed the original photo

She knew she didnt have it so the whole thing was brinkmanship. And she won.

She never intended to go to court.
Andrew’s money didnt get him off. By the sounds of it she had by far the better legal team.

Fair play to her I say.

She is certainly not poor and knew exactly what her filthy son was up to. No sympathy for her at all

Oh fuck totally wrong thread.

@Benjispruce5

No person innocent of abuse would pay to make it go away.. you would want to clear your name. No matter what he says, it’s an admission of guilt to the world.

I don’t agree. It can cost more in court costs to “clear your name” than it would to settle out of court. There is no black and white that says only guilty defendants settle out of court any more than there is one that say only gold digging liar accusers settle out of court.

@VanCleefArpels

Weaknesses in her case:

Above age of consent in the jurisdiction in which incidents occurred
She was involved in “recruiting” other girls so arguably a “trafficker” (using same principle that led to Maxwell’s conviction)
Lack of primary corroborated evidence

They were likely to go big on the second of these at trial so was always likely to settle.

You don’t have your facts correct. In New York she was not above the age of consent. She was also trafficked which was her main case. She admitted to helping recruit girls but she was very young and had been groomed for years by Maxwell since she was a child. That is something that can’t be trivialized or ignored. I am sure she has been exhausted by all this and the constant media attention. Let’s not forget how brave she was in bringing the sordid lifestyle and crimes before the public. Without her they all would have gotten away with it.

It makes me cross

@nancy75

No surprise, this case was never going to send him to prison, so she was never really going to get justice. Everyone has a price & we are talking about people with deeper pockets than most. Does she get the money or is it going to charity?

Charity .

Most civil cases in the USA don't end up going to trial, so this is a far from unusual result.

www.legalteamusa.net/what-are-the-odds-a-case-is-going-to-trial/

Proving your innocence is worth so much more though. I can’t imagine not wanting to clear my name.

@Ohchristmastreeohchristmastree

The Queen is the worlds biggest land owner. 6.6 billion acres to be exact. I’m sure she’s skint!

The whole of the UK is only 59.9218millionacres.

The Queen does not own 6.6 billion acres
That figure is reached by including all the land in the Commonwealth nations.

Most of the UK land is owned by the Crown Estate , not the queen personally.

@SockFluffInTheBath

Your words. Nobody else has said that.

Nice try. Sadly too late to twist your way out of being one of the vile victim shamers on this thread.

Try reading my posts again. I have shamed nobody apart from Prince Andrew.

@Danja2010
In New York she was not above the age of consent.

She was as it was 2001 when age of consent in New York was 17. It was only recently raised to 18.

However, she was underage on the island in the US Virgin Islands as the age of consent there was 18.

But her comments all seem to say that Epstein and Ghislane had coerced her into having sex with Prince A. Im not aware that he knew she was 17 1/2 not 18 when he had sex with her for the 3rd time, but for 1st time in a place where she was under age of consent (Epstein’s private island), instead of over age of consent as she had been in London and NYC. It’s also not clear if he was complicit in trafficking, that he knew she had been trafficked by Epstein and Ghislane.

@Faevern

He has paid out to stop more revelations. If he thought she could do no damage he would have seen it through. It was always about money as it’s a civil case. VG has exposed him for what he is. His interview helped her.

This. And he has probably had pressure put on him by the other people in Maxwells contacts book. He has already lost all credibility in the UK, it would be too much if his international friends dropped him like a hot brick if because of him other names came out in court.

Andrews statement reads like the words of the lawyer not of Andrew

That's understandable, firstly because it makes sense to let the lawyers do the talking, and secondly because we've already seen what happens when Andrew's left to speak for himself

@Benjispruce5

Proving your innocence is worth so much more though. I can’t imagine not wanting to clear my name.

Not everyone had bottomless pockets though. The reality is the vast majority of oriole can’t even contemplate bringing any kind of legal action because of the cost. Done can afford to take it “so far” but then have a difficult decision to make. Settlement is usually the least worst option

Wonder how much

Bloody Royals

Proving your innocence is worth so much more though. I can’t imagine not wanting to clear my name.

^^

Not for Andy though

@Classica

Mummy got her cheque book out.

No. We paid for it, you and me, our taxes paid his hush money. Fucking parasites the lot of them

@ClaudineClare

I think she has achieved something important by showing once again how rich and powerful men will sexually abuse and exploit young women with no qualms whatsoever and no questions asked. Every case like this will hopefully help to change things a tiny bit more.

Absolutely. She has stood up against every person who called her a liar and continued to pursue those responsible. That takes real guts and determination.

Her guilt? So she's not sufficiently altruistic as a victim of trafficking and sexual assault?

I don't why she brought the case. I don't care how much money she was paid. I care that women and young girls are used as toys for rich scummy men.

@Mumontour85

It is not his guilt that is in question here but hers! Her settling out of court shows that money was all she was after, she didn't give a fig about justice or 'doing the right thing'. Another reason she went after Andrew and none of the American elite that are as bad, of not worse than Epstein. Andrew was an easy bet for an easy payout. He was embarrassing the British Monarchy and jeopardising their future, whereas the Americans closed ranks and were protecting their ex presidents and high powered AHs. Not at all saying that Andrew was innocent - hell no. But I do think that ONE picture proves nothing but made him a very easy target....

You may not be aware of it but you’re just embarrassing yourself.