Virginia Guiffre and Andrew settle out of court

[Suzanne999]

From Metro
Prince Andrew and Virginia Giuffre have reached a ‘settlement in principle’ in the civil sex claim filed in the US, court documents show

Does this show his guilt? Water down in some way his actions? I’m sure some will say this proves she was only in it for the money. I think she and a lot of underage girls were abused but because of the wealth involved those guilty will never face justice. Can’t understand why I feel sad about this outcome.

Oh well, he'll have to botox his oxters forever or wear a heavy jacket every time he steps out of the door and it's warm out. I hope it's a loooong hot summer

The fact she has lost such an important piece of evidence does make you wonder - and that it's being paid to a charity? Do you really think that was what she wanted? I think he wanted it settled quickly and she had no evidence. Only they know what happened

[quote tickingthebox73]@TatianaBis It was a civil case. If it went ahead it was about money, if it didn't it was about money. So "- No evidence that VG was simply after money" it was only about money, and can only have been about money.

and she settled with Epstein too - and he was definitely guilty. There is huge amounts of evidence this was about money.[/quote]
Strong evidence, from her tireless pursuit of those involved in the abuse of herself and many other girls; from her charity “Victims Refuse Silence” : that it was all about justice, all about calling powerful men to account.

Do you really think that money would be any real compensation for what happened to her? Do you think any of women’s experiences with Epstein can be fixed with money?

Make no mistake: if it was not for VG the lawsuit against GM would never have happened. In part because the lies that GM told in her deposition in the VG case opened the way for her prosecution as some of her statements were provably false.

Ok, let’s assume for a moment that the victim shamers on here are right and VG was only ever in it for the money…

1. The money is going to support trafficking victims.

1. PA publicly apologised for dragging her through the mud and lying.

I don’t see either of those equating to her being a money grabbing tart.

Civil case ends in payout.

Next?

This is the text of a tweet by Nadia Whittome, which I have to say I wholeheartedly agree with:

'Prince Andrew now "commends Guiffre's bravery" after he accused her of lying and dragged her name through the mud.

This settlement isn't some act of philanthropy - it prevents this case going to court.

We must also ask: where is the money coming from?'

We will never know the whole truth of it, but the way he trashed her reputation, despite what she'd been through, tells us exactly what and who he is.

@Innocenta well I would say that the victims that say that VG was far from a victim and more of an enabler are the ones that are more believable. Its also very convenient that she has been asked to provide the original photo for forensic examination and its all of a sudden gone missing . She then decides to settle out of court!!!!

This was a civil case so it's unsurprising it settled. I don't know how the law works in the US but in the UK if someone makes you an offer that you fail to beat in court, you have to pay all of their legal costs from the date of the offer. She may have had no choice but to accept the settlement.

I don’t see either of those equating to her being a money grabbing tart

Your words. Nobody else has said that.

Guilty as sin. No innocent person would do that.

[quote Giraffesandbottoms]@TerraNovaTwo

What do you mean? The photo was fake?[/quote]
That was a rumour that was circulating

@StationaryMagpie

its going to charity.

You have no way of knowing that. Some of it might- some of it might go to her.

@Blossomtoes - I stand corrected, maybe not the richest woman in the world anymore. But still not true that she has little personal wealth. Forbes rates her as 372 in the world in terms of riches. She is not hurting and has plenty of personal wealth. But as the fire at Windsor showed, is not averse to asking the tax payer to pay when she can. And actively tries to suppress info getting out about her wealth.

[quote wanttomarryamillionaire]@Innocenta well I would say that the victims that say that VG was far from a victim and more of an enabler are the ones that are more believable. Its also very convenient that she has been asked to provide the original photo for forensic examination and its all of a sudden gone missing . She then decides to settle out of court!!!! [/quote]
Too witless to be true, surely.

I think she has achieved something important by showing once again how rich and powerful men will sexually abuse and exploit young women with no qualms whatsoever and no questions asked. Every case like this will hopefully help to change things a tiny bit more.

@CorrBlimeyGG

Not sure i have ever believed her anyway, I think she knew exactly what she was doing and is now after money

There's something wrong with an adult talking about a seventeen year old girl like that.

Isn't there just.

I’m pleased it has been settled, I believe her 100% and think answering questions in court for days on end would have been horrific for her.
She’s done her job, the whole world knows what a disgusting morally bankrupt person he is.

And his statement just released states he “never meant to malign Ms. Guiffre’s character and he accepts that she has suffered both as an established victim of abuse and as a result of unfair public attacks” which to me reads that he accepts she was not lying, when all along he was saying her.

@Benjispruce5

Guilty as sin. No innocent person would do that.

For many and varied reasons given in this thread people settle cases all the time even when they have a very good chance of defeating a claim were it to go to trial. Litigation costs and reputational damage are usually the main reasons.

Your words. Nobody else has said that.

Nice try. Sadly too late to twist your way out of being one of the vile victim shamers on this thread.

@AdamRyan because PA is a complete arrogant car crash of a human being. The Royal family probably advised him to settle so that the queen faces no more embarrassment during her jubilee year! It could be said the other way round, if VG is so desperate for justice and the truth to be out then why would she accept an out of court settlement?

No person innocent of abuse would pay to make it go away.. you would want to clear your name. No matter what he says, it’s an admission of guilt to the world.

[quote VanCleefArpels]@EmpressCixi it was a civil case so Jail and a finding of “guilt” were never on the table. PA was never charged with a crime. A settlement of a civil case is not, in law, an admission of liability.[/quote]
I know it was a civil case. My comments were answering the OPs questions about guilt. They still stand, often a person can commit a crime, say rape an underage girl, and because it was so long ago there is no proof and so no criminal case can proceed. So the victim then can pursue a civil case of sexual misconduct instead.

You see it all the time with cases where a person is killed by another person. No proof to charge them with murder, so the family then pursued a civil case of wrongful death.

This is the same thing but regarding sexual assault/statutory rape.

Virginia knew the queen had tonnes of cash and would bail him out that's why she perused it if he was some randome on the dole none of us would have heard about any of it

Well I know for a fact she was never forced to have sex- ie raped, by “some random on the the dole” as Epstein never invited anyone like that qto come and rape the teenagers he’d trafficked.

Nobody has come out of this smelling or roses. However it's over now (if the latest news is correct). Ghislane Maxwell has been found guilty.