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lynfordthecrab · 15/02/2022 15:46

So my DS is big on drawing up the family tree, which she has done very successfully back to the 1500s. She then decided to do a DNA match, and yep you guessed it, its opened a whole can of worms that wont go back in the can!
Her DNA did not match our DF (who is no longer with us) but did match DM. Before saying anything to DM she asked me if I would take a DNA test which I have and I don't match DF either. Now my parents were married 5 years before my DS was born and there is 3 years between us. The DNA shows we have the same parents but its not the DF my DM was married too!
My DS is all for confronting DM for an explanation, I'm not fussed one way or the other, it doesn't change who I am. For me DF will always be the one that brought me up.
However because DS doesn't live in the same country, if she does the confrontation I'm the one that has to sort out the aftermath as she wont be here. I understand she has a need to know.
Neither of us are close to DM emotionally but due to her age now she is quite dependent on me.
Thoughts oh wise ones?

OP posts:
Mama1980 · 15/02/2022 19:26

I'm assuming your sister has done a more detailed DNA test, such as 23 and me to get a better profile?
I would be particularly concerned that you cannot sadly get a direct sample from your father - direct detailed comparison is always the most reliable. As I'm sure your sister already knows there can be many issues with cousin DNA especially in a historic context and in a restricted database.
If she is sure of her facts then there are only really two options, either she asks your mum or she leaves it I'm afraid, history and dna will only take you so far - the 'blanks' can only come from a living person.
I have encountered this scenario professionally (I work in the history field) many times and usually there is a good deal of upset caused all round.

haismfh · 15/02/2022 19:26

I would want to know.
It doesn't change the fact your DF is your Dad who brought you up and loved you.

WhileMyMeringueGentlyWeeps · 15/02/2022 19:28

I would need to try and find out. If the information dies with your parents generation it will leave a huge gap in your family tree and so many unanswered questions.
My grandmother was illegitimate and really felt the stigma in those days so wouldn't even acknowledge it. Very sad. To my mother and me it was just interest really and we didn't judge at all.
I have been contacted through Ancestry by close cousins who don't know their link to my family tree and I always do my best to help them.

BestKnitterInScotland · 15/02/2022 19:29

I'm not suggesting for a second this is a factor in the OP's case but a "not the parent expected" event doesn't always indicate an affair. Rape and sexual assault victims did not have the choices about continuing with a pregnancy or not.

It happened and it's something to be aware of - unlikely in the OP's case as she and her sister share an unknown father, but this is why it's so important to tread carefully and sensitively.

oakleaffy · 15/02/2022 19:31

@Hankunamatata

How did she get a sample of DF DNA if he is dead?
Good point! Also How accurate are these money making ancestry tests anyway??
BestKnitterInScotland · 15/02/2022 19:31

@Mama1980

I'm assuming your sister has done a more detailed DNA test, such as 23 and me to get a better profile? I would be particularly concerned that you cannot sadly get a direct sample from your father - direct detailed comparison is always the most reliable. As I'm sure your sister already knows there can be many issues with cousin DNA especially in a historic context and in a restricted database. If she is sure of her facts then there are only really two options, either she asks your mum or she leaves it I'm afraid, history and dna will only take you so far - the 'blanks' can only come from a living person. I have encountered this scenario professionally (I work in the history field) many times and usually there is a good deal of upset caused all round.
It's not a case of a "more detailed profile".

All the autosomal DNA tests are the same. They match you with other people on their database. Some databases are bigger than others. 23 and Me give additional health information only.

NoCauseRebel · 15/02/2022 19:42

Without the actual father’s DNA it is literally not possible to know that he wasn’t the biological father.

I think the problem with a lot of these sites is that people seem to assume that everyone submits their DNA to them when actually the numbers are comparatively low compared to the world population and even compared to site members.

There is no way on God’s earth I would give a random site my DNA and I know plenty of others who feel the same.

And neither would I agree to do any kind of DNA test to prove I was or wasn’t someone else’s far-flung relative.

Ignorance is bliss.

Chocolateis1ofyour5aday · 15/02/2022 19:44

Maybe it could be a sperm donor rather than an affair?
Does your mum know about the family tree research? She may not want to give you answers even if asked. What will you both do then?

WouldIwasShookspeared · 15/02/2022 19:44

If your sister wants to ask her mum there's not really much you can do.
Regarding fall out, all you can do is refuse to get involved

WilsonMilson · 15/02/2022 19:46

Could your DF have been adopted, and perhaps he was this new cousins biological uncle, but your cousin may never have known if your DF, her uncle, had been adopted?

Kshhuxnxk · 15/02/2022 19:49

The only piece of advice I have which is too late for you guys but maybe not for others reading this is there are always skeletons in the closet and if you don't know them there's a reason for that. We found out our DGF wasn't our biological one but we and our mum loved him enough to know it didn't matter. We didn't confront anyone, we just accepted we were blessed to have someone as wonderful as he was.

doctorboo · 15/02/2022 19:51

I had a potential can of worms in my family. I talked it over with my mum and m decided to test (peace of mind for both of us).

Initially I couldn’t find anything to link me with my bio father and after a year I gave another site a go. I woke up one morning to a match with my half brother - who I know about, but no idea if he and his sibling know about me.

It cleared up who my dad is and give my siblings (all half) a chance to talk with their parents if they choose to.

Cheekypeach · 15/02/2022 19:51

I would ask her, I would personally feel it important to know the truth for a multitude of reasons, some moral and some practical. I would consider not asking if DF was still alive, but as he has passed, asking can’t cause him any hurt.

LemonJuiceFromConcentrate · 15/02/2022 19:53

OP I don’t think you have acknowledged the quite important possibility that several pps have outlined: that your dad WAS your bio father, but he himself was adopted — hence the lack of matches you are getting with relatives on his side.

Have you addressed that? Did I miss it?

Because that seems a lot more likely — statistically, and also emotionally, in terms of how secretively people tended to behave around adoption a generation or two back — than your mum having three kids by the same other man, years apart in the course of a long marriage.

ElvisPresleyHadABaby · 15/02/2022 19:55

I'd ask, your mum knows something.

FredtheCatsMum · 15/02/2022 20:01

[quote lynfordthecrab]@AcrossthePond55 my sister has been in contact with this cousin for over a year now. She only lives about 12 miles from me (the cousin), she even got her mum to do a DNA so we could discount cousins maternal side from the equation.
there are also a lot of links as to how her paternal uncles and my mother could know each other.
My sister did ask my mother last year when it first came to light and she muttered something about "what good is it bringing it up now?" and changed the subject so she knows something[/quote]
She knows, obviously. But is no doubt scared or embarrassed or something like that to tell.

I'd try myself, rather than letting my sister do it from abroad. Gently and carefully, of course. I'd explain how I'd like to know and that it is my business because it affects me. But also that it won't change how I feel about my father, who is the man who raised me, or what I think of her - I'm a grown up now, and I know about life.

It may be that, in some way, your mother would quite like to tell her story, now that your father is gone and can't be hurt or angry, but you'll need to find a way to make it safe for her to talk.

My own mother did Ancestry.com, and found a completely unknown half-niece. Her parents had both died by this time, as had her unknown half-brother. But it turned out that the other family had been aware of what had happened. My grandfather went awol during WWII , and was missing for quite a while, and it was during this time that he met the other woman. He was a fairly useless bloke, apart from being a deserter (of both my grandmother, this woman and the military). When she realised she was pregnant he had already left her, the other woman decided not to try and tell him, and got on with it, marrying a friend who raised the child as his own. They had other children and by all accounts a good and happy marriage.

My mother was born after all this, for a brief period when my grandfather returned to my grandmother. He died when she was small, and she never knew much of his earlier life, although she had later realised that he was not a great husband to her mother. A couple of years ago (ie 70 or 80 years later) my mother did her dna, found this niece and learned the story. They get on quite well and meet occasionally (living quite far apart, although the niece has a need to come to my mother's city sometimes)

Families are wierd, and DNA sometimes shows just how much!

ViceLikeBlip · 15/02/2022 20:06

You don't have any bio match with your father's family. Explain again how you know that your father wasn't adopted?

BertieQueen · 15/02/2022 20:08

Is there a chance your mum was married before but he died and your Dad stepped up and brought you up as his own? Have you tried finding any other marriage certificates for your mum?

Have you got baby photos with your dad in them?

JimmyShoo · 15/02/2022 20:09

On your DNA match, how many centimorgans (cm) do you and your formally unknown cousin match share?

mnahmnah · 15/02/2022 20:10

@Georgeskitchen

Blimey! Attitude much?!

I meant that it doesn’t sound like adoption if mum is being cagey. And that she knows the secret is out. Of course she knows how her own children were conceived! But as other posters have said, there are other options to mum having had an affair.

OnlyAFleshWound · 15/02/2022 20:15

[quote Zolla]@BestKnitterInScotland - OP has literally said her sister has a degree in geneology.. she clearly does know what’s she doing.[/quote]
You can't do a degree in genealogy...

Lovemusic33 · 15/02/2022 20:18

I find all this ‘family tree’ and ‘DNA’ stuff really interesting. I think it’s likely that your mother used a sperm donor, back then paying for a sperm donor would have cost a fortune so I would say it would have likely been a friend of your parents which is why you and your sister have the same father.

I think the only way to find out is to ask your mother but do it gently, tell her about the DNA tests and what they have shown, tell her the man that raised you will always be your father but you would like to know why the DNA tests are not linking you to his family, was he adopted? We’re you from a sperm donor? Was she having an affair?

EmbarrassingHadrosaurus · 15/02/2022 20:22

It seems that you can do an MSc or similar at Strathclyde and plausibly elsewhere.

The Postgraduate Certificate, Diploma or MSc in Genealogical Studies is ideal for anyone with an existing interest and some experience in genealogy and related subjects. It has been developed by academics and genealogy professionals and is suitable for those who wish to study genealogy in more detail or career development.

www.strath.ac.uk/studywithus/centreforlifelonglearning/genealogy/

EmbarrassingHadrosaurus · 15/02/2022 20:23

Sorry - the above was in response to

You can't do a degree in genealogy... from OnlyAFleshWound

NoCauseRebel · 15/02/2022 20:27

If they’d been married 5 years before your sister was born then it’s possible your mother suffered previous pregnancy losses which she doesn’t want to talk about.

But really none of this actually adds up because without the biological father’s DNA it’s not actually possible to know that he isn’t the biological father. As in 100% not possible.

My dad has a half sister he found by requesting his father’s death certificate. he contacted her as a matter of interest and it turns out she A, didn’t know that she had 5 other siblings who were older than her, and B, had no idea her father was adopted.

Neither of them wants to know any more about the other at this stage, but I have no doubt that if any of us put our DNA into ancestry or such like we would come up with loads of family we knew nothing about.