Part 7.5

[jgw1]

AIBU to still be enjoying falls?

Pennywise isn't exactly funny

Sunak got a questionnaire as well

Clowns are also very scary.

Tories we’re all ready to make a big deal about Labour Chinese connections, weren’t they? Did they suddenly pipe down when they remembered their own links with Russia?

The Guardian named Alexander Temerko as one of the Tory donors yesterday. They didn't mention that Temerko wrote this article for them in 2015 -

Britain should arm Ukraine, says Tory donor.
Former Ukrainian businessman argues that Cameron and Obama should send weapons and ammunition to support the government in Kiev.

As the conflict in Ukraine approaches the one-year mark, the time has come to admit that the current approach of the west is failing. No one can seriously doubt that the Russian president, Vladimir Putin, intends to continue on this path for as long as possible...

Putin’s Russia stands openly opposed to traditional western values of liberal democracy and self-determination...

So when Putin retorts that “no one needs a conflict on the periphery of Europe”, he is not speaking for himself. We cannot, and must not, believe a single word he says...

Alexander Temerko is a Ukrainian-born British businessman and a major donor to the Conservative party.

www.theguardian.com/world/2015/mar/11/britain-should-arm-ukraine

[quote Clavinova]Tories we’re all ready to make a big deal about Labour Chinese connections, weren’t they? Did they suddenly pipe down when they remembered their own links with Russia?

The Guardian named Alexander Temerko as one of the Tory donors yesterday. They didn't mention that Temerko wrote this article for them in 2015 -

Britain should arm Ukraine, says Tory donor.
Former Ukrainian businessman argues that Cameron and Obama should send weapons and ammunition to support the government in Kiev.

As the conflict in Ukraine approaches the one-year mark, the time has come to admit that the current approach of the west is failing. No one can seriously doubt that the Russian president, Vladimir Putin, intends to continue on this path for as long as possible...

Putin’s Russia stands openly opposed to traditional western values of liberal democracy and self-determination...

So when Putin retorts that “no one needs a conflict on the periphery of Europe”, he is not speaking for himself. We cannot, and must not, believe a single word he says...

Alexander Temerko is a Ukrainian-born British businessman and a major donor to the Conservative party.

www.theguardian.com/world/2015/mar/11/britain-should-arm-ukraine[/quote]
@Clavinova are you saying that it acceptable for foreigners to meddle in our politics if you agree with them?

Alexander Temerko is a Ukrainian-born British businessman and a major donor to the Conservative party.

Fixed that for you Clavinova - he's not Russian. But don't let that distract you from what our American born PM is not doing.

@Peregrina

Alexander Temerko is a Ukrainian-born British businessman and a major donor to the Conservative party.

Fixed that for you Clavinova - he's not Russian. But don't let that distract you from what our American born PM is not doing.

I thought that since this morning Ukraine is a part of Russia, and also was when Temerko was born, so he is Russian.

Just because he chooses to self identify as Ukrainian doesn't change the facts.

Was Ukraine ever part of Russia? Being part of the USSR is not the same.

jgw1
are you saying that it acceptable for foreigners to meddle in our politics if you agree with them?

Temerko became a British citizen in 2011.

Are you suggesting that Tony Blair should not have let him in the country when he fled Russia in 2004? Perhaps we should have extradited him?

Judge Timothy Workman in December 2005 ruled: ... I therefore find that the prosecution of Mr Temerko is politically motivated and the request for his extradition is made for the purpose of prosecuting or punishing him on account of his political opinion.

Didn't MI5 issue a warning about the Chinese government agent? Have MI5 issued any warnings about the named Tory donors?

jgw1
Just because he chooses to self identify as Ukrainian doesn't change the facts.

self-identification?
That's a thorny topic.

@Clavinova

jgw1 Just because he chooses to self identify as Ukrainian doesn't change the facts.

self-identification?
That's a thorny topic.

Did you read this article by John Sweeney on Temerko?

bylinetimes.com/2022/02/23/has-prime-minister-boris-johnson-been-compromised-by-russia/

But Temerko showed another facet of his personality when this month the Aquind inter-connector was vetoed by Business Secretary Kwasi Kwarteng. The company intends to appeal but Temerko was enraged that Portsmouth MP Penny Mordaunt – a junior Trade Minister, former Defence Secretary under Theresa May and Royal Naval reservist – led local opposition to the Aquind interconnector.

Temerko called Mordaunt an “absolutely uncontrollable woman… She must be silent if she is a minister, if she wants to be an active politician she should resign”. The oligarch added that Mordaunt is: “the biggest threat to security for our country.”

Temerko seems to object to the idea that a government minister can also be a constituency MP who does not have to kow-tow before power or money. Nevertheless, Temerko’s web of contacts reach higher into British power than Penny Mordaunt.

Aside from his friendship with Boris ‘Sasha’ Johnson, Temerko’s other pals give pause for thought. One such is, according to Belton, Nikolai Patrushev, the hawkish head of Russia’s Security Council and former long-time head of the FSB security service.

On Patrushev’s watch, as Putin’s number one secret policeman, critics such as Anna Politkovskaya, Natasha Estemirova and Boris Nemtsov were assassinated. Who ordered the hits is not known. Also on his watch, Britons on Putin’s hate list such as ex-KGB spy Alexander Litvinenko and ex-GRU spy Sergei Skripal were poisoned by polonium-210 and Novichok respectively. You can’t buy either in a shop.

According to Belton, Temerko calls Patrushev a “decent family man.”

After Reuters published its story, Temerko lawyers wrote to the news agency saying the article was “inaccurate” and “defamatory”. In a statement, Reuters said: “We stand by our story”.

don't let that distract you from what our American born PM is not doing.

The 'Irish' President in the White House has been a push-over;

May 2021 -
www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-57180674

www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/biden-comes-under-fire-congress-after-waiving-sanctions-russian-gas-n1267975

@Clavinova

jgw1 are you saying that it acceptable for foreigners to meddle in our politics if you agree with them?

Temerko became a British citizen in 2011.

Are you suggesting that Tony Blair should not have let him in the country when he fled Russia in 2004? Perhaps we should have extradited him?

Judge Timothy Workman in December 2005 ruled: ... I therefore find that the prosecution of Mr Temerko is politically motivated and the request for his extradition is made for the purpose of prosecuting or punishing him on account of his political opinion.

Didn't MI5 issue a warning about the Chinese government agent? Have MI5 issued any warnings about the named Tory donors?

Your failure to condemn foreigners meddling in British politics speaks volumes.

Your failure to condemn foreigners meddling in British politics speaks volumes.

He's a British citizen. Where was Gina Miller born?

Did you read this article by John Sweeney on Temerko?

No - I don't think much of Byline Times.

@Clavinova

Your failure to condemn foreigners meddling in British politics speaks volumes.

He's a British citizen. Where was Gina Miller born?

Did you read this article by John Sweeney on Temerko?

No - I don't think much of Byline Times.

Its rather reminiscent of those who fail to condemn a 56 year old man having a birthday party when denying the opportunity to millions of children.

But instead they have to go on what about trips...

Must be just about new thread time. We all know what happens when I start them ..
😢

@Blossomtoes

Must be just about new thread time. We all know what happens when I start them .. 😢

I think you should try again @Blossomtoes The serial disrupters may be distracted at present.

@Clavinova

Your failure to condemn foreigners meddling in British politics speaks volumes.

He's a British citizen. Where was Gina Miller born?

Did you read this article by John Sweeney on Temerko?

No - I don't think much of Byline Times.

Didn't know Gina Millar paid 100s of £1000s to a political party for a game of Tennis? Lyubov Chernukhin, whose husband Vladimir served as a finance minister under President Putin until 2004, made the donation (160k) in 2014 to play a game with Mr Johnson and David Cameron

Why did she do that and why did the Tories accept?

Millar was born in British Colony - relevance?

Here you go.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4490514-Falls-Part-8?watched=1

Millar was born in British Colony - relevance?

At one time, i.e. WW2, that the Tories are so fond of bigging up, being born in the EMPIRE was as good as being British. It is to the country's shame that they didn't honour that afterwards.

[quote AuldAlliance]When he gets rattled, it becomes clear that beneath the buffoonish exterior lurks a very nasty, potentially violent individual.
In this interview, he trots out his lines and when the interviewer keeps coming back to ask whether he would consider resigning, his mask slips for a moment (around 8:55 mins)

[/quote] Do you mean 8.55, @AuldAlliance? That seems to be where the recording stops.

Erm. You're right.
More like 8.18 mins. He snaps at the journalist just after.
Dunno what happened there, sorry.

Thanks. What a bizarre answer! He says that asking him if he would resign if that were better for the country or the Conservative party "breaks the golden rule". I assume the "golden rule" is that you shouldn't ask him questions he doesn't like and/or that he finds difficult to answer.