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Part 7.5

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jgw1 · 11/02/2022 17:37

AIBU to still be enjoying falls?

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borntobequiet · 15/02/2022 09:00

Thanks, Auld. Hugo Rifkind is very funny.

Dark warnings about secret plots miss the point that anyone sensible would want to destroy the architect of Brexit

DuncinToffee · 15/02/2022 09:06

'dissenter' lol, I was more thinking fence sitter.

borntobequiet · 15/02/2022 09:06

And his point about the desperate situation that people who should know better, like Kwasi Kwarteng and Nadhim Zahawi, are in is valid. Someone linked a few weeks ago to an article by Matthew Parris where he described how BJ destroys everyone around him, how true.

Alexandra2001 · 15/02/2022 09:15

Maggie Truss talking up the possibility of war/invasion, even though reports from Russia are that troops are being pulled from the area.

i guess war always suits the incumbent Govt.

General Dannat, former head of UK armed forces, says no Russia wont invade, Ukraine shouldn't join NATO.

StormzyinaTCup · 15/02/2022 09:17

@DuncinToffee

'dissenter' lol, I was more thinking fence sitter.
Thanks, I am a fence sitter but get the impression from some posters on here that they think I'm otherwise. Sometimes it can be much more interesting perched in the middle.
ENoeuf · 15/02/2022 09:22

Finally found these again! No idea how many I’ve missed one just ended and I never found the next one.

Notonthestairs · 15/02/2022 09:24

Entering the fray implies some sort of disorder/competition and if you enter it you are no longer a bystander however much you try and present yourself as otherwise.

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ENoeuf · 15/02/2022 10:31

I don’t think there will be a fall. And definitely not a push or a jump. I reckon he will take what he can get and move on when he fancies a change.

ClaudineClare · 15/02/2022 10:40

@ENoeuf

I don’t think there will be a fall. And definitely not a push or a jump. I reckon he will take what he can get and move on when he fancies a change.
I think that is probably his plan, to move on when he gets bored of playing PM. I have everything crossed things don't pan out as he hopes.

Agree btw that derail attempts need to be ignored.

DePfeffoff · 15/02/2022 10:49

@ENoeuf

I don’t think there will be a fall. And definitely not a push or a jump. I reckon he will take what he can get and move on when he fancies a change.
I'm hoping there'll be more of a collapse, when he's eventually pushed out but brings much of the party down with him.

I'm sure he won't be short of a bob or two, given his rich chums, but I wonder if he'll be the same draw on the after dinner circuit as PMs normally are? Are businesses that really want to demonstrate their credibility likely to be keen to pay loadsamoney to the worst PM in history to come along and bumble his usual schtick at them? There was a time when he was regarded as entertaining, but I think even that has become rather tired now - people have heard it too often and are only too aware of the artifice behind it all.

DePfeffoff · 15/02/2022 10:57

Appointment of Dido Harding by Hancock found to have been unlawful - www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/matt-hancock-high-court-covid-dido-harding-b2015415.html

merrymouse · 15/02/2022 11:00

I think Johnson will definitely be able to earn money, but he also has a very expensive lifestyle, that he apparently can’t afford now.

He is going to be paying private school fees into his seventies.

DePfeffoff · 15/02/2022 11:00

Also Mike Coupe (Test and Trace). And before anyone leaps in to shift all the blame onto Hancock, it seems that the court also found processes used by Johnson to be unlawful. Yet again.

goodlawproject.org/update/dido-harding-mike-coupe-unlawful/?utm_source=Twitter&utm_campaign=JobsForTheBoysBlog150222&utm_medium=social%20media

Blossomtoes · 15/02/2022 11:00

[quote DePfeffoff]Appointment of Dido Harding by Hancock found to have been unlawful - www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/matt-hancock-high-court-covid-dido-harding-b2015415.html[/quote]
Does that mean she’ll have to give our money back? That 37 billion could go an awfully long way.

Notonthestairs · 15/02/2022 11:03

I think a lot will depend on when the Sue Gray report finally materialises - I hope MP's push for it next week. I'm sure I read over the weekend that FPN's may be issued in the next fortnight so there's no reason to hang on to it for longer. Once the report is published I suspect DC will be on manoeuvres again.

What I'd really like to see is the money laundering issues given a proper airing.

Johnson's money will be made in America - especially once Trump's campaign is up & running.

ENoeuf · 15/02/2022 11:07

I think there are a lot of people who don’t care that BJ and his cabinet do this stuff either because 1. So do they on a smaller scale or 2. They’d like to be in a position to. So I think he will definitely get after dinner slots and book deals and probably panel shows.

CryingAtTheDiscotheque · 15/02/2022 11:14

There were reports that Johnson could earn £250k for after dinner speech in the US, so hopefully the lure of being able to pay his debts would overwhelm him at some point even if he is not pushed.

Agree re money laundering - nothing of any substance has been done to address this. The Tories receive substantial donations from Russian benefactors. I am sure the two are entirely unrelated.

CryingAtTheDiscotheque · 15/02/2022 11:15

Agree Enoeuf, and I think we saw a similar dynamic with Trump. The rule-breaking, lying and bigotry were actually quite attractive to some of his supporters

DuncinToffee · 15/02/2022 11:16

“The High Court was also clear that the prime minster broke the law in appointing Dido Harding as chair of Test and Trace”.

Well, how will they defend this.

CryingAtTheDiscotheque · 15/02/2022 11:25

The significance of the High Court decision may be more re future appointments - Jo Maugham has posted a video saying that if ministers continue to parachute their mates into top jobs with knowledge of this ruling, that would be misconduct in public office, ie criminal offence.

Bit of a spoke in the wheel for the highly shady "appointments unit" in no. 10.

longwayoff · 15/02/2022 11:48

They will say that the High Court doesn't understand the law and that the judiciary - remember? - is the Enemy of the People. That thanks to her sterling work =fastest vaccines etc. That they know best and nobody else does. And they will say that Orwell wrote guidelines, not warnings, and they are following them. Black is White. White is Black. There is no room for Grey.