Part 7.5

[jgw1]

AIBU to still be enjoying falls?

Fingers crossed harrietpearce. May it come to pass.

I don't think Richard Morris would have broken the law by having drinks and nibbles with colleagues

That quote isn't from the article Stormzy and if you are trying to use that poor man's story to justify Johnson's lawbreaking that is pretty low.

CryingAtTheDiscotheque
"That quote isn't from the article Stormzy and if you are trying to use that poor man's story to justify Johnson's lawbreaking that is pretty low."

Low - it's the depths.

I think Stormzy is quoting from a BBC article and I agree it is very low to use his death as a case for law breaking.

@HarrietPierce

Johnson lies every time he opens his mouth. It would be good if the following came to pass.

The Liberal Democrats have tabled a motion to allow MPs to point out when the Prime Minister makes misleading statements, without being thrown out of the Commons.
The Liberal Democrats are calling on Conservative MPs and opposition parties to back the change, so that Boris Johnson can be held to account for his lies and “Trumpian” behaviour.

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I wonder how tory MPs will wriggle out of it without looking like they're voting in favour of lying to parliament.

@DuncinToffee

I think Stormzy is quoting from a BBC article and I agree it is very low to use his death as a case for law breaking.

It's totally inappropriate to have included it on this thread at all and if I were the poster originally posting it I'd have some consideration for his family and ask for it to be deleted.

I keep typing things and then thinking better of it. JJ is attempting a derail I do believe.

@HarrietPierce

CryingAtTheDiscotheque "That quote isn't from the article Stormzy and if you are trying to use that poor man's story to justify Johnson's lawbreaking that is pretty low."

Low - it's the depths.

Sorry no it isn’t it’s from here:

www.itv.com/news/meridian/2022-02-14/diplomat-found-dead-suffered-extreme-stress-will-working-for-covid-taskforce

The last quotation in my earlier post is no longer mentioned in the article - weird.

Nope, not justifying BJ but just acknowledging that we were in a unique and fast moving situation and being able to de-stress occasionally is important (preferably doing that within the law) but if you can’t then do what works for you, I can’t get too excited. I’m happy to make a judgement on rule breaking when the report is out.

It's totally inappropriate to have included it on this thread at all and if I were the poster originally posting it I'd have some consideration for his family and ask for it to be deleted

It’s best it’s left so it’s plain to see just how low some people are prepared to stoop.

@ClaudineClare

I keep typing things and then thinking better of it. JJ is attempting a derail I do believe.

I'm sorry if you think so please report I'm happy for any comments to be zapped. I think most can see I was responding to what others had posted though, not attempting a derail.

Anyway, back to Bozo. Labour were 9 points ahead now only 3 and closing fast as everyone is sick of the media's hysteria about alleged rule breaking.

Time for Dom to lob his 'waaaaayyy better pics than that including the flat' grenade.

He's taking his time isn't he?

Some of us aren’t keen on “zapping”. Far better that posts are left so their posters can be judged accordingly.

I have removed my posts. There's enough evidence on these threads of how different people's moral compasses are without that example.

It's a perfect illustration of how desperately low the standard of debate has fallen with apologists trawling the gutter in an attempt to justify their poor attempts to support the unsupportable. What can usually expect after the scurrilous example set in Parliament?

Yes Covid was fast moving and yes it would have been hugely stressful

Bl00dy hell! that is some mental leap you have made there!

Has it crossed your mind that millions of equally stressed workers, say people like my DD having the stress of being in awful PPE or not getting the right stuff, wasn't terrified of passing on CV to her patients? or being so tired they'd cock up their meds and they'd die?

She didn't see her BF for 3 months because of LD and didn't meet up with friends or work mates for drinks etc after work.

Yours is one of the more weird comments i ve read on MN and thats saying something.

@AuldAlliance

I have removed my posts. There's enough evidence on these threads of how different people's moral compasses are without that example.

My compass is fine - what part of my post talking about Covid, mental health and press behaviour is problematic?

This is just another example and not dissimilar to Caroline Flack.

It’s an uncomfortable subject but maybe the poster should have thought twice before linking it.

Using alcohol to self medicate for stress is surely not advisable? Though sometimes these threads make me want to have a large glass🍷

There is a difference between having wine and nibbles at home after a stressful day and having unlawful gatherings.

So if a group of nurses just off a stressful shift pattern wanted to get together in a side room of their workplace and decompress over a ‘sharing’ bag of crisps and a few drinks (soft or otherwise) before they went home then they should (and I expect some probably did). If that helps gets you through week on week then I don’t think there is anyone out there who would deny them that. Is that an unlawful gathering?

Looking after your mental health trumps anything and everything in my book.

It's funny how we all see things differently. I don't see a horrible smirk at all just a polite comment and a friendly smile. He has the patience of a saint with those rabid reporters.

Most people, when being asked about death threats to another person, would instinctively look concerned. The fact that Johnson doesn't even have those instincts speaks volumes.

Oh good grief we are back where we started.

Johnson's government backed emergency public health legislation to prevent gatherings of more than 2 (and then 6), to work from home unless necessary to go in and if in work to minimise meetings, they then broke the laws they made and then in the course if covering up the PM lied to Parliament.

The rights and wrongs of the laws (they passed and presented to the nation) we can get to when the covid inquiry begins.

Well, that's the intention. No response leaves it wittering to itself before it finds something else to batten on.

I wonder how tory MPs will wriggle out of it without looking like they're voting in favour of lying to parliament

They'll appeal to tradition, i.e. it always has been the case that accusing people of lying was forbidden in Parliament and that shouldn't change. The problem is, of course, that when the rule was formulated no-one really envisaged having an MP, let alone a Prime Minister, who would lie on such an industrial scale.

The stupid thing about the rule is that you get away with it provided you say something like "The honourable Member inadvertently gave us facts that were untrue" - even when you and everyone else listening knows damn well that the PM was lying quite deliberately. So it's OK to accuse someone of lying provided you are prepared to lie yourself.

I know. I've run out of patience.

MPs had no problems wriggling out of voting against free school meals and in favour for sewage in our water and Paterson so I am sure they will manage.

They are very good at defending the indefensible.