@Random65
You lost me at mansplaining. Saying that in an attempt to shut down my opinion or thoughts as less valid is a pretty poor tactic in debate. Try playing the ball, not the man.
You came on a thread full of women fed up with men saying "not all men" to explain how all of us women are wrong about our experiences of misogyny and you are right proclaiming "not all men". As if we're little girls that need to be chastised for wrongthink as you take personal offence to it because it isn't reflected in your oddly sheltered life. The term mansplaining is therefore perfectly appropriate. But unsurprisingly you took offence to this too.
Yes, I think women (and men) should report all inappropriate sexual behaviour. If nobody knows something has happened then nothing can be done about it.
Why should we report it? What do you think that achieves exactly, and why is the onus on victims to take action? Also, please refer to my previous post I tagged you in where I actually talked about what happens when women go to the police and why it isn't what it's cracked up to be. I spent a whole year of my life on a police investigation which drove me to attempting suicide because of how I was treated and it really impacted my trauma and made everything so much worse. If I went to the police every time I was sexually assaulted, I would spend my whole life in investigations and suffering far worse (perhaps wouldn't even be alive).
I certainly can't do anything, as previously stated I can't remember seeing men groping ladies or saying anything inappropriate, probably due to the professional and social circles I mix in
As I said previously, I simply don't believe you have never witnessed anything inappropriate towards women. You either turn a blind eye or you are desensitised to the neverending microaggressions we as women face. I also find it offensive that you suggest women are simply in the wrong social or professional circles for stuff to happen to them, after all you're in the "right" one. Yeah, as if, pull the other one.
A select few people have held all the power, not all of them men.
Well clearly power doesn't equal intelligence as time and time again you fail to grasp the concept of men having power over women. You are exhausting.
At least from a legal perspective, women have as many rights as men.
Perhaps legally in the UK, but surely you must know in practice this is not how it goes down!
Discrimination is illegal, and if people don't speak up then change doesn't happen. I've taken employers to two tribunals myself and won both.
Gosh, this isn't some bloody competition. I pointed out how I faced discrimination and had to go to tribunal, and wouldn't you know, you've been to two tribunals. Do you always feel the need to one-up people? What are you trying to prove exactly? What is your point?
I think maybe it's you that needs an english lesson. That statement is inclusive of all men, unless they are excluded, which that statement does not.
You are really just showing yourself up here. This is simply untrue and you are just making a fool of yourself by doubling down on it as we are dealing with facts around the English language, not opinions.
How exactly do you think I benefit from some culture that belittles women or promotes their abuse?
Of course men benefit from it. There are also some disadvantages to men from this culture. But on the whole, it keeps men holding power over women, which comes with a whole host of benefits for men, it's not that difficult to understand surely?
That's not a culture I recognise or grew up in. It's not a culture I see amongst any of my family, friends, colleagues or acquaintances. I know that those views do exist in some communities, but not in any circles I mix in.
It's like cancer that touches and infects every part of our society, you and your little bubble are not exempt! You and your friends and family and colleagues and everyone you know do not live in a vacuum! And what are these "some communities" you refer to where misogyny exists? Bizarrely must be any that contain women considering our experiences.
I was married for 10+ years. I was assaulted by my wife multiple times. I never raised a hand to her. Not even once. Not even when she hit me or grabbed a knife. I never forced my self on her. She tried to force herself on me quite a few times. I'm not convinced that women also doing this is anywhere near as much of a rare occurrence as you think.
What happened to you does not invalidate our experiences though. Both statistics and anecdotal evidence supports that women are raped, sexually assaulted, harassed, beaten, killed by men on a far greater scale than the reverse, to the point where it is the norm for a woman to experience those things at the hands of a man and it is almost vanishingly rare for a man to experience those things at the hands of a woman. There are though many more male victims when the perpetrator is male.
I don't have any responsibility for other men behaving like that, as I do not encourage or condone such behaviour, and would challenge it if I saw it.
Men as a group need to take responsibility for their actions as a group. Instead of doing anything constructive that could help us in any way, shape or form, you are fighting women on Mumsnet because you feel slighted by us having a problem with you saying "not all men". You are far more offended by women saying men rape women, than men actually raping women. There's plenty of forums out there that spew vile stuff about women, why don't you go police those forums instead? Perhaps would be a much needed eye opener for you considering you see no evil hear no evil.
There isn't some organised attempt to supress or oppress women
There are and have been and will continue to be organised attempts to suppress and oppress women. Doesn't mean every form of misogyny is part of an organised attempt, and doesn't make any part of what happens organised or not acceptable. It's not an either/or scenario. It still happens on a massive scale and harms all women.
Probably most religions also perpetuate such narrow minded views on women, for most of them it's literally in their holy books.
Yes but these religions are tools to support the patriarchy, not the other way around. Religion didn't magically invent itself, did it? Who do you think wrote those holy books? Because I can assure you it wasn't women advocating for raping and enslaving women, beating wives who step out of line, taking child brides, stoning women, and making us subservient to men in order to serve a higher power.
I didn't say blame the mums. I said blame families and community.
I know you didn't say blame the mums, but by saying blame the families you are automatically placing more blame on the mums that raised them than the mums themselves. Men escaping more responsibility for their actions yet again!
I am a single father to two boys. It's my responsibility to raise them in an environment where those views aren't perpetuated.
Your environment does not exist in a vacuum. We live in a society. A patriarchal one at that. I have said this a thousand times by now. But I would encourage you to please educate yourself further on the matter before teaching your men about this very topic.
You make it sound like there is wholesale raping and pillaging going on.
I mean I don't think it's terribly far off from that and it's pretty common in human history. Surprised you set the bar that high though for us to show concern. Is that what it'll take for us to be taken seriously?
I don't know anyone even accused of rape.
Funny how men don't know any rapists, yet all women seem to know rapists on account of being raped. How many men do you think are doing all the raping?
So, what % of men do you think grope women?
What % of men do you think rape women?
Well I don't know exact percentages, but I think most men (more than 50%) have sexually assaulted a woman in some way. To be honest my own experiences would lead me to believe more, but perhaps I've had a particularly severe stroke of bad luck, although my friends don't seem to have terribly better luck than me.