To think that JK Rowling is being vilified for standing for women and children?

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Getting sick of seeing her being torn down constantly on social media.
Her essays are thoughtful and careful and she's primarily concerned with safeguarding.

AIBU to say it's a witch hunt?

@VelvetChairGirl

anon12345678901 its an utterly meaningless word, reminds me of Kevin the teenager shouting I hate you all the time, it really says more about the person who uses it then anyone else, I just roll my eyes at them.

and TERF just means Tired of Explaining Reality to Fuckwits to me.

we should start accusing everyone of Gynephobia and running off, they seem to think accusing people of having phobias is like daggers somehow.

So true. And I'm 100% remembering that when someone calls me a TERF. I roll my eyes usually, I really just don't care about their opinions on me.

She's an amazing woman with the exceptionally rare quality of standing by her beliefs.
The belief that women should have their own spaces, prizes and sports, including places to recover from attacks by men.

As to equating trans people with sex offenders, well some of them are. At least with the same regularity as the rest of the male population. Women committing those types of offenses are vanishingly rare.

Trans people should be subject to as much safeguarding as other males. Regardless of skin colour or gender identity or orientation. There is no data that shows having one of these characteristics makes them any more 'safe' than the rest of the male population. Most of whom,.I might add are our lovely father's, brothers and husbands, who despite being lovely understand the reasons for women only spaces.

@CorrBlimeyGG it's taking you a long time to present these transphobic comments. Are you struggling to find some?

As PP have said the mob mentality is so damaging. I find it worrying how so many people including those who claimed to read and enjoy the HP books thoughtlessly parrot a slur without bothering to find out the truth.

I worry about the mental capacity and / or moral compass of those who say that the HP books are 'ruined' for them because JKR wrote a calm thoughtful essay about biological sex being real and important. They can't have read the books very thoroughly because they're behaving exactly like Dolores Umbridge and her enforcers - a nasty mob wanting to pull down one person for speaking the truth.. Harry Potter in the books (for saying Voldemort was real and had come back) and JKR in real life for saying biological sex is real (which it is obviously - do people these days really not know how human reproduction works? Of course they do, no-one is lining up for surrogate transwomen) .

Misogyny these days seems worse than ever - just look at the Met. JKR is one of the very few people in public life who give me hope for our daughters. She is a true hero.

Agree with WorriedMums the decent men, the honest men, know why there are safeguards in place in regard to the male sex. And they support them because they want their daughters, wives, mothers and sisters and indeed all female children and adults to have safety, privacy and dignity.

Why would anyone be against safeguarding? The answer to that question is never satisfactory.

@theemperorhasnoclothes

Agree with WorriedMums the decent men, the honest men, know why there are safeguards in place in regard to the male sex. And they support them because they want their daughters, wives, mothers and sisters and indeed all female children and adults to have safety, privacy and dignity.

Why would anyone be against safeguarding? The answer to that question is never satisfactory.

My DH cannot for the life of him understand why any woman or decent man would be voting for parties in thrall to this (SNP/Scottish greens in particular). We have sons not daughters but I honestly don't my sons to think that this is the way that women should be treated either. It is dangerous for all our children but catastrophic for girls and women. I cannot believe the dignity that JKR possesses to deal with the shit that is thrown at her.

As to equating trans people with sex offenders, well some of them are. At least with the same regularity as the rest of the male population.

Evidence gathered by Fair Play For Women show almost half of the trans prison population has at least one conviction for sexual offences. The rate in the general male prison population is 20%. This is not conflating transwomen with sex offenders but we have to accept either transwomen are more likely to be sex offenders OR that sexual predators can and do exploit prison self ID policies. We already know sexual predators will go to extraordinary lengths to gain access to victims, a statuary declaration of gender (as proposed in GRA reforms) is hardly a safeguard.

fairplayforwomen.com/campaigns/prisons/

It’s batshit how people are treating her.

And the irony is most of them haven’t properly read or understood anything she’s said. She has done nothing but advocate for women’s rights and safeguarding. And I completely agree with her and I’m glad she hasn’t let the shouty crowd silence her.

But people have to find things to be outraged about now, so they can jump on the next bandwagon.

[quote PinkyU]@gardenhelpneeded but surely that’s true for all humans? The majority of people charged with infanticide are women, given we don’t know which ones are dangerous perhaps we should stop all women from having babies?

In London in 2020 the majority of perpetrators of knife crime were young black men, given we don’t know which are the dangerous ones perhaps we should just view all of them as dangerous. Yes, let’s view an entire group of individuals as dangerous:

Mothers
Men
Young black men
Trans women

Let’s view them all as potential killers and rapists because a minority of their group commit these crimes.[/quote]
Ah. But that is precisely what safeguarding does.

And in some instances it is possible to legislate, discriminate against a specific cohort in specific circumstances. In others it is not.

So, ban mothers and the human race dies out.

Ban men from female spaces... and VAWG is reduced.

That sort of logic. We rely on it, logic that is, for many things in law across the whole of society.

So it makes no sense, is not kind of Gotcha! to suggest banning mothers and it does make sense to treat transwomen like any other male.

She is a true hero. I read the first 4 books to my children. This gave them a love of reading. They agree with JK on women's and children's rights.

Yes, let’s view an entire group of individuals as dangerous:

Let's abandon all safeguarding because some people may be offended.

DBS check; how dare you, I'm not a criminal.

Airport security: how dare you, I'm not a terrorist.

Seriously can you hear yourself? Most of us are prepared to tolerate a certain level of scrutiny to protect others, some people are excluded from some environments because they belong to a group whose inclusion may affect the safety or fairness of that environment for others.

The funniest part about wanting to burn her books is there are so many copies around the world no amount of rabid, fire-happy cockwombles would make a dent

@CorrBlimeyGG will never be back to explain themselves. Too difficult to actually do research, requires some level of thought process.

@CorrBlimeyGG

She is transphobic, she conflates trans women with sex abusers. She does not speak for all women, thankfully.

Can you explain that in the context of this from her essay:

"If you could come inside my head and understand what I feel when I read about a trans woman dying at the hands of a violent man, you’d find solidarity and kinship. I have a visceral sense of the terror in which those trans women will have spent their last seconds on earth, because I too have known moments of blind fear when I realised that the only thing keeping me alive was the shaky self-restraint of my attacker.

I believe the majority of trans-identified people not only pose zero threat to others, but are vulnerable for all the reasons I’ve outlined. Trans people need and deserve protection. Like women, they’re most likely to be killed by sexual partners. Trans women who work in the sex industry, particularly trans women of colour, are at particular risk. Like every other domestic abuse and sexual assault survivor I know, I feel nothing but empathy and solidarity with trans women who’ve been abused by men.

So I want trans women to be safe. At the same time, I do not want to make natal girls and women less safe. When you throw open the doors of bathrooms and changing rooms to any man who believes or feels he’s a woman – and, as I’ve said, gender confirmation certificates may now be granted without any need for surgery or hormones – then you open the door to any and all men who wish to come inside"

She outlines what many many people feel is the tension between the rights and needs of trans women and of women and girls. Of course it is a tiny minority who will either use a revised GRA to deliberately violate women's spaces, and those who continue the male sex-offending pattern at the same ratio of cis men. That is NOT 'conflating trans women with sex abusers' - unless every agency that runs sex-segregated spaces and services, such as swimming pool changing rooms - conflates ALL men with sex abusers.

We know that the vast majority of men are not sex abusers.

Segregated spaces and services allow for the fact that a few are.

How is JKR transphobic in the context of the paragraph form her essay copied above?

and TERF just means Tired of Explaining Reality to Fuckwits to me.

Thank you for that one Velvet! Love it 👍🏽😄

And this bears repeating a million times:
Evidence gathered by Fair Play For Women show almost half of the trans prison population has at least one conviction for sexual offences. The rate in the general male prison population is 20%. This is not conflating transwomen with sex offenders but we have to accept either transwomen are more likely to be sex offenders OR that sexual predators can and do exploit prison self ID policies. We already know sexual predators will go to extraordinary lengths to gain access to victims, a statuary declaration of gender (as proposed in GRA reforms) is hardly a safeguard.

That was FOJN.

(I dont know how to quote 😬😳)

DD wore her Hufflepuff badge to school the next day in badgerish defiance.

I am in awe of your daughter. Courage calls to courage and there will be many, too scared to speak up, who will take strength in her bravery.

Also I would like a «like» button for Home

turbonerd

Click the three dots in the bottom right hand corner of the post you want to quote and you will see a drop down menu with a quote option.

I never use it

JKR rocks. Men hate her, and women who don't properly read what she has aid hate her too. It's nuts and misogynistic.

I was in the Reddit HP/Rowling subreddits when she released her statement. The majority of posts were in support of her but were quickly deleted along with all future supportive comments.

They never come back with evidence do they..... wonder why that could be?

JK Rowling is an inspiration to so many, she is fantastic!

👍@FOJN

I do worry for her safety, I hope she had good security.

I saw when some trans activists posted her address on Twitter.

Just checking in to see if any evidence of alleged transphobia has appeared.

No?

As you were...

She's an intelligent, successful, thoughtful woman who is unequivocally spot on.

Of course shes wrong and needs telling what her place is.

What else does she expect?