To think that JK Rowling is being vilified for standing for women and children?

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Getting sick of seeing her being torn down constantly on social media.
Her essays are thoughtful and careful and she's primarily concerned with safeguarding.

AIBU to say it's a witch hunt?

@CorrBlimeyGG you can't have read the essay if you still think that. Stop with your bullshit

YANBU. Agree with those supporting JKR here - we need more like her in the world.

anon12345678901 its an utterly meaningless word, reminds me of Kevin the teenager shouting I hate you all the time, it really says more about the person who uses it then anyone else, I just roll my eyes at them.

and TERF just means Tired of Explaining Reality to Fuckwits to me.

we should start accusing everyone of Gynephobia and running off, they seem to think accusing people of having phobias is like daggers somehow.

@gardenhelpneeded but surely that’s true for all humans? The majority of people charged with infanticide are women, given we don’t know which ones are dangerous perhaps we should stop all women from having babies?

In London in 2020 the majority of perpetrators of knife crime were young black men, given we don’t know which are the dangerous ones perhaps we should just view all of them as dangerous. Yes, let’s view an entire group of individuals as dangerous:

Mothers
Men
Young black men
Trans women

Let’s view them all as potential killers and rapists because a minority of their group commit these crimes.

@CorrBlimeyGG

She is transphobic, she conflates trans women with sex abusers. She does not speak for all women, thankfully.

Only for the female kind?

She's brave, logical and fair. Thank god for JKR. Few women have the standing she has to tell the simple truth. It's frightening how quickly & thoroughly a mob mentality can take over with no evidence whatsoever of the things she is accused of. People burning her books should really look at history to see what sort of people do that. But they seem incapable of seeing clearly, of learning anything. We're living in weird, emperor's new clothes, times.

Let's leave the door unlocked too shall we?

Something like 20% of women have been raped. Many more suffered harm motivated by sex

Something around 10% of men have sexually abused a women

The numbers are shocking . And good men know this and support a certain separation of the sexes

[quote PinkyU]@gardenhelpneeded but surely that’s true for all humans? The majority of people charged with infanticide are women, given we don’t know which ones are dangerous perhaps we should stop all women from having babies?

In London in 2020 the majority of perpetrators of knife crime were young black men, given we don’t know which are the dangerous ones perhaps we should just view all of them as dangerous. Yes, let’s view an entire group of individuals as dangerous:

Mothers
Men
Young black men
Trans women

Let’s view them all as potential killers and rapists because a minority of their group commit these crimes.[/quote]
What does this have to do with anything that JKR has said?
Of course entire groups of people don't behave in the same way but it doesn't mean you don't put in safeguarding in obvious cases - for instance not housing men in womens prisons especially if they have committed sexual crimes.

[quote PinkyU]@gardenhelpneeded but surely that’s true for all humans? The majority of people charged with infanticide are women, given we don’t know which ones are dangerous perhaps we should stop all women from having babies?

In London in 2020 the majority of perpetrators of knife crime were young black men, given we don’t know which are the dangerous ones perhaps we should just view all of them as dangerous. Yes, let’s view an entire group of individuals as dangerous:

Mothers
Men
Young black men
Trans women

Let’s view them all as potential killers and rapists because a minority of their group commit these crimes.[/quote]
Do you think that my 14 year old daughter should be going to the same toilet as a 55 year old man?

Do you think male sexual predators should be in prisons with women?

Do you think women should call their male rapists "she"?

[quote PinkyU]@gardenhelpneeded but surely that’s true for all humans? The majority of people charged with infanticide are women, given we don’t know which ones are dangerous perhaps we should stop all women from having babies?

In London in 2020 the majority of perpetrators of knife crime were young black men, given we don’t know which are the dangerous ones perhaps we should just view all of them as dangerous. Yes, let’s view an entire group of individuals as dangerous:

Mothers
Men
Young black men
Trans women

Let’s view them all as potential killers and rapists because a minority of their group commit these crimes.[/quote]
Very poor logical reasoning skills there.

That’s not how safeguarding works.

That’s not how risk assessments work.

Suggest you read up on legitimatacy and proportionality.

Keeping men out of women’s spaces is not just about safety, its about privacy and dignity as well.

In sport it’s also about fairness.

@CorrBlimeyGG

She is transphobic, she conflates trans women with sex abusers. She does not speak for all women, thankfully.

She really doesn’t.

If you disagree with what she actually said, then fair enough. It’s your opinion. But don’t make stuff up.

Over the last few months I have seen supposedly normal friends saying they would like to burn her books.

You should ask them to do a bit of reading about the history of book burning and ask them to report back with their findings.

Spoiler alert: it never ends well.

She is transphobic, she conflates trans women with sex abusers. She does not speak for all women, thankfully.

"So I want trans women to be safe. At the same time, I do not want to make natal girls and women less safe. When you throw open the doors of bathrooms and changing rooms to any man who believes or feels he’s a woman – and, as I’ve said, gender confirmation certificates may now be granted without any need for surgery or hormones – then you open the door to any and all men who wish to come inside. That is the simple truth."
JK Rowling June 2020

Why would you advertise your poor reading comprehension on the internet?

[quote PinkyU]@gardenhelpneeded but surely that’s true for all humans? The majority of people charged with infanticide are women, given we don’t know which ones are dangerous perhaps we should stop all women from having babies?

In London in 2020 the majority of perpetrators of knife crime were young black men, given we don’t know which are the dangerous ones perhaps we should just view all of them as dangerous. Yes, let’s view an entire group of individuals as dangerous:

Mothers
Men
Young black men
Trans women

Let’s view them all as potential killers and rapists because a minority of their group commit these crimes.[/quote]
We DBS check all teachers and school support staff to ensure we don't put our children in a dangerous situation. This isn't because society views everyone that works in a school as dangerous but instead that that is the best way to screen out the unsafe ones.

The best way to keep women and children safe is to have spaces that are only available to people of one sex. That doesn't mean to say that e.g all Transwomen are dangerous, merely that in the absence of any way for women to know which may be, the safest way is screen out anyone not of that sex.

We really need to stop viewing this as women hating transpeople but instead of women trying to keep themselves safe.

@CorrBlimeyGG

(And yes, I've read her 'essay'.)

She speaks for me, and I’m glad.

@CorrBlimeyGG

She is transphobic, she conflates trans women with sex abusers. She does not speak for all women, thankfully.

What has she said thats transphobic?

"friend" saying "F£&k that TERF JK Rowling for ruining the Harry Potter books for me."

Your "friend" isn't the sharpest tool in the box is she? One would almost think that it wasn't JKR that wrote the books....

I agree it's utterly disgusting the way she is being treated by radical trans groups that don't have 2 brain cells to rub together and the folk that then jump on the bandwagon are even worse imo.

Joanne Rowling speaks for me, and I am in awe of her bravery and persistence in doing so. It would have been so easy just to allow herself to be bullied into chanting slogans, like all of the HP movie stars did. But she’d already been a victim of male bullying, first in her violent marriage, and also in not being allowed to put her unacceptably-female first name on her books, because male readers would disapprove.

She is the most talented writer in the world and I love her books.

She is the most generous philanthropist I am aware of. The amounts she has given to children’s charities is incredible. As is her refusal to avoid tax.

There is no point trying to convince people of these things, they know this already. They don’t hate her despite her bravery, intellect, talent, generosity, and integrity, they hate her because of these things.

History will judge us all and I think Joanne Rowling’s descendants will be very proud of her.

Men hate it when women won’t play along and do what they want. Most of the people threatening her haven’t even read the thing they’re complaining about.

I may be in the minority here...I love JKR but I'm not arsed about Harry Potter

I wonder where people vented this rage before anti social media ? That Cocksuckerberg has a lot to answer for

People keep saying it's men who have a problem with her. But all the actual examples appear to be of young women.

@CorrBlimeyGG

She is transphobic, she conflates trans women with sex abusers. She does not speak for all women, thankfully.

Utter rubbish. She's simply concerned that some men PRETEND to be trans in order to abuse women. As am I.

But all the actual examples appear to be of young women.

Are they women though?

To be fair, loads of young women do get involved in this stuff because they are trying to be kind and inclusive etc. nothing wrong with that, but they aren't looking at the bigger picture. They are thinking about friends who have "transitioned" who are lovely people, as are the majority of people who have been sold short when not treated for their mental illness and instead been fed the untruth that you can change sex and you will feel better.

They weren't alive when women fought for rights and equalities that they can (and should be able to) take for granted.

CorrBlimey has said some horrendous discriminatory things on other threads, so their idea of what's an acceptable thing to say perhaps isn't one I'd agree with anyway.

Back to JKR, have you noticed how other people who might otherwise have been quite vocal on the subject have gone quiet since the amount of abuse/death threads etc against JKR made so much noise?

That's the intent.
I notice the same people aren't also vilifying ableist, homophobic and sexist men.

@Fluffymule

She's also the 27th highest tax payer in the UK (according to the list in the Sunday Times last week) - £36m this tax year.

No tax havens or offshoring her wealth like many others.

Her contribution to this country both culturally and financially is immense. The sustained efforts to libel her, to discredit her and to threaten her are an absolute disgrace.

This.

I love JK .

I am so pleased there are people like her in the world.