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To ask what you’re doing awake post-midnight? Part 2: Insomnia Strikes Back

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5YearsLeft · 05/02/2022 11:24

Bit awkward to start this in the middle of the day, but I wanted to be able to link it on the old thread before it completely fills. Meanwhile, even though right now it’s not post-midnight, if you’re having a day-after hangover from insomnia, feel free to post. Whether it’s from poorly children or babies or pets or OHs, whether it’s grief or fear or anxiety or other losses, whether it’s work stress or home stress or just LIFE stress, we get it. You’re not yelling into the void; you’re sharing with people who have been stuck wide awake, too.

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Clovacloud · 05/03/2022 05:09

Took autistic 20yo DD away for her birthday. Booked a fancy air bnb she chose, first time away in 3 years - it’s cost hundreds. Had a wander round the town, thought she was having a nice time. Because she couldn’t instantly get food (was waiting for other family members to come out of a shop) she ran off in a town we don’t know.

Found her later and then she laid into me about every one of her birthdays being shit. Every birthday we make a massive effort to do something she’s asked for or wanted to do. And everytime she has a meltdown, and it’s all my fault. I am so fucking tired.

Anyway now I’m teary and have massive acid indigestion from stress and I’ve been awake all night.

MrsGlum · 05/03/2022 05:53

I am now cursing myself for taking Mirtazapine and then quitting cold turkey.
It has completely destroyed my ability to sleep. I would give my right arm to feel that lovely sensation of cosy sleepiness. I haven’t felt that now for nearly 8’weeks and I’m terrified I never will again it’s devastating my life Sad

Wallywobbles · 05/03/2022 05:58

I tried to post last night. So dwsrf lamb has Spider Syndrome I think. She should be ok but we won't be able breed from her mum again or her so that's not great. Anyone looking for 2 pet sheep? very very friendly. It's annoying I kept the mum because she has such an excellent nature.

The latest mum has mastitus so we are bottle feeding them and treating her. Poor mum and hungry babies.

Lambing this year has been a total shit show.

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Gilead · 05/03/2022 08:17

@catwomando thank you for your kindness. I hope you managed some rest.

Wallywobbles · 05/03/2022 22:23

Unbelievable luck today. Local Lidl doing lamb/dog coats. Even found one in xs and dog jumpers. Crevette is in luck which is just as well as it's been raining.

Id tried pré shopping to make her a waterproof coat out of one of the kids and old waterproof coats (well the hood) and Velcro but not a great success.

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Tallisimo · 05/03/2022 23:42

Dropping by to say I’m keeping up with your posts. Although I’m still having trouble getting off to sleep and waking at all hours, I’m trying to keep off my iPad during the night as I think it might be fuelling my wakefulness and I don’t want to get my body and brain into the wrong sort of rhythms or habits.

Sending sleep vibes to you all x

5YearsLeft · 06/03/2022 01:03

Hello everyone and welcome to the after midnight thread. For a few days, I’ve been incredibly sick, so I missed yesterday. I’ll catch up. If you’re awake due to stress, grief, pain, worry, insomnia, or anything else, this thread is for you, so welcome. Tonight might be a bit slow as weekends sometimes are.

@Wallywobbles So glad to hear you found a sale at Lidl! And glad to see Crevette could benefit. Too cute.

@Tallisimo Completely understand. Hope it helps, and we’re all sending anti-pain and pro-sleep vibes to you!!!

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5YearsLeft · 06/03/2022 02:34

For people who needed support late this morning, if you’re still around.

@Purplepeoniesdroppingpetals What an incredibly stressful night; it must have felt like out of the frying pan and into the fire and km sure you’re exhausted. I do hope your DS is okay now and I’m sure it’s always so much more terrifying knowing he has a heart problem.

@Clovacloud I think this is so incredibly hard. I’m sorry what should have been a nice holiday is now acid indigestion, tears, and insomnia. I don’t know the level of your daughter’s autism (mildly autistic often referred to as “Asperger’s” which is a term some people hate, autistic, severely autistic). I’m wondering if she’s mildly autistic, considering the fact that a severely autistic person would not usually be able to “throw” several years of birthdays in your face as being “shit,” nor is that how a meltdown usually works, from my understanding. I studied autism at university, but not nearly enough to be an expert in it at all. It might be worth seeing a counsellor to determine what part of your daughter’s behavior is autism and what part might not be. Obviously, just here on the thread, of course we hate to see you hurt. Maybe it’s not a completely solvable situation, but maybe there’s some way to stop it from happening again and have you spend all this time and money and feel it “wasted” (without a counsellor, it’s impossible to say if your daughter is honestly lashing out and truly feels that way about all her birthdays or if you’re in an unhealthy situation where you’ve just become her emotional punching bag and she says things to hurt you or neither at all - someone needs to unravel that). BUT I’m very, very sorry, regardless of the situation or any mitigating factors, that she said hurtful things and you hurt tonight.

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CorsicaDreaming · 06/03/2022 06:03

Just posting as really need to read this thread...

Clovacloud · 06/03/2022 06:18

@5YearsLeft thanks so much for your kind words. I just had another little cry, it’s so lonely dealing with her sometimes. DH and my parents try but they don’t really get it. She was diagnosed level 1 autism (old school Asperger’s) and she also has clinical anxiety. So it was probably a mixture of new place/birthday anxiety that contributed to the meltdown - she’s barely left the house for 2 years. She’s had therapy for years to help her but it doesn’t seem to have helped. I don’t really know what to do anymore. Still tomorrow is another day and all that. Thankyou for caring.

catwomando · 06/03/2022 09:10

@5YearsLeft good to see you back, and sorry you've had such a rough time of it. Here's hoping for a better week in your shiny new pad.

5YearsLeft · 06/03/2022 22:28

@Clovacloud I think this is incredibly difficult. And these are really difficult years. A lot of women have clinical anxiety. A lot of women have mild autism (or Asperger’s, if it’s a term you’re comfortable with). I’m sure you must feel so sad and stressed when you say that you feel like two years of therapy haven’t made any difference. But don’t give up hope. First of all, there are millions and millions of people with Asperger’s living independent lives, working, going to school, in everything from the arts to managerial roles. There are also people with clinical anxiety who manage to live on their own and engage with life. And there are plenty of people who have both (it’s a VERY common co-morbidity). So these things alone are not going to stop your daughter from living life. What’s concerning to me is that when we talk about autism meltdowns, they’re not supposed to be vindictive. And if they are, then they’re not straight “meltdowns.” Like I mentioned earlier, someone who can go back and complain about years worth of birthdays and why they’re all your fault - that’s not usually a meltdown. That’s… I’m not sure. Do you have a counsellor you can discuss this with? It sounds like you’re so lonely and at the end of your rope. I really hope there’s a solution, because your daughter would benefit from that, too; right now, it sounds like if you disappeared tomorrow, your DH and others would expect her to “just stop it,” and that’s maybe not helpful, either. Very, very best of luck. And I don’t blame you for having a little cry; it’s such a tough situation.

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jowly · 06/03/2022 23:03

Hello everyone

I've been reading posts and lurking.. I'm sorry so many of you are having such difficult times. Life for all of us can be such a struggle sometimes, it's hard to see the good bits.

I'm having a bit of a low few days.. missing those I've lost, the unfairness of it all.

Some of you are having it really really rough atm.. I do hope you find some comfort from somewhere, and of course, some sleep

Xx

5YearsLeft · 06/03/2022 23:29

Hello all and welcome to the after-midnight thread, 30-ish minutes early. I’m a rebel, I am. If you’d had my week, you’d be one too. No point in surviving just to serve The Man. If you’re having a rotten time with stress, anxiety, grief, pain (physical or mental), pressure from all sorts, anyone in your life doing poorly, work getting you down, insomnia trying to do you in, etc etc etc, welcome to where you belong. Feel free to rant, rave, have a cry. If someone’s not immediately awake with you, they will be at soon (I try to reply same night, or at least within 12 hours). The point is that in the ways that matter - you’re not alone.

@jowly So sorry it’s all getting you down. I really understand. Sometimes our losses just feel so much closer, and sometimes we can put them on the shelf and try to move on with life for a bit before we pick them up again. Sometimes, we. Just. Fucking. Can’t. It’s not you. It’s life. Ups and downs. I hope that when these few rough days of grief pass, you find something on the other side that’s been a bit worth it. Even if it’s a silly little things. Sometimes it’ll be nothing but the silly little things that keep us alive. I wish you good luck, and good sleep, and like always: if you’re going through hell… keep going. Wink If this thread had an arse, I’d tattoo that on it.

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Tallisimo · 06/03/2022 23:38

Hello, @Jowly You know what struck me about your post? Your compassion for others in spite of your own pain. I hope you too, find comfort, rest and repair x

5YearsLeft · 06/03/2022 23:41

@Tallisimo Agree 100%. Also, sorry to see your sciatica is (probably?) here for yet another night but I do hope it pisses off and allows you to get a bit of sleep, fingers crossed.

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Confusedmeanderings · 07/03/2022 01:25

I've been reading and lurking too. I've been getting out and about while I feel well enough. I've also managed to get a bit of work in. I'm self employed so if I don't work, I don't earn. Its not critical, we can manage without my earnings but its nice to have some money of my own. I have another week before the next cycle of chemo starts and I start to feel ill again. My hair started falling out today. I knew it was going to happen because I've opted out of wearing the cold cap, but I was still a bit upset.

@5YearsLeft it sounds like you're having a tough time, yet you still manage to encourage the rest of us and open up this lovely thread each night, so thank you.

@jowly I agree, you sound wonderfully kind and compassionate. I hope you begin to see some good bits in life soon.

@Wallywobbles Crevette looks very smart and very adorable!

@Clovacloud it sounds like you're in a tough situation. I don't have any words of advice, but am sending a hug your way and I hope things improve for you.

@Purplepeoniesdroppingpetals I hope the invalids are doing better today, it sounds like you have your hands full.

5YearsLeft · 07/03/2022 03:31

Oh @Confusedmeanderings I’m so sorry that today is “the day.” I know you were expecting your hair to fall out since you decided not to do the cold cap, but knowing it will happen and then the day when it actually happens are two separate things. Remember, you’re allowed to deal with it however you want. Wigs, hats, nothing but fleece climbing caps if that’s what you so desire (they’re VERY soft). But lost importantly, you have the right to punch anyone who says, “Don’t worry, it’s only hair,” right in the fafallywong. It’s not about the hair. It’s about what the hair means; it’s about everything you’re going through and all the changes you have to deal with to fight this and all the things you can’t control. I’m sorry 😞 and I hope it’s not too uncomfortable. If you want wigs, I have my fingers crossed you'll able to sort out wig caps and they don’t itch. If you want hats, I have my fingers crossed you'll find awesome ones. If you want to just go free, I have my fingers crossed your head isn’t too sore. It’s a shite moment in a shite process, but you’ll get through it. Very best of luck.

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Wallywobbles · 07/03/2022 03:44

Tonight's offering. Hope most of you are asleep. I need to be up in an hour.

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Soton · 07/03/2022 04:06

A few days ago my mum confided in me that very soon after she got married my dad coerced her to have an abortion. Backstreet abortion so of course it came with the mandatory infection, etc. Her next child born soon after was severely mentally and physically disabled and all these years she's been wondering if it was caused by this infection. Apparently that's what oeopl used to say behind her back in my dad's shitty town. I told her that's not possible, that it was most probably genetic, but at this stage I don't even know of that's comforting. She said she didn't need comfort. She told me just...so that I learn (or something like that). It's just the first in a long line of shitty abusive things my dad has done to her. Maybe it's not even the worst. Maybe what's worse is the years of controlling her, never letting her have a voice or just do what she wants to do. She tells me these things but then says he's not so bad because he never hit her, etc.
I didn't know what to do with this information except to storm to my dad and tell him again they he has to treat her better. He just looked so tired and turned away. Anyway, I'm broken hearted for her. She said she cried and cried and cried and her mil kept telling her it's ok. Everyone's getting one. I keep imagining they scene. My poor mum. She would have only brrn 20 or so. Anyway the knowledge of this Doesn't stop me getting annoyed with her now. I need to remind myself every day to be kinder. Soon they will leave and I'm so looking forward to it. I love zhrn (yes, even my horrible dad) but I'm counting the days for yhrm to leave. I don't know why I'm telling this story. It's not my story to tell and I feel like I don't even have a right to grieve. Of all the things my mum told me I wish they this she'd told me earlier. Maybe yhrh I would have confided in her when I got pregnant. Maybe then I wouldn't have had an abortion myself. Gosh just what a waste of life all around. Mostly my mum's. It's just strengthened my resolve to make my own DD stronger, to never let a man run (or ruin) her life. But how? How do I give her that strength? How do I empower her? I'm so tired. Dh and me have hit rock bottom too and I don't know if we can bounce nsvk this time. I'm just so dsmn sad about that. Ankit everything. About DD just being sticks and bones. I can hear her grind her teeth in her sleep. What's going on in they little help? How do I help her? How soon till we've irreversibly screwed up the little ones? Is this what all parents do? To post or not to post?

MrsGlum · 07/03/2022 05:03

Awake again. 1/2 Sleeping tablet got me 2.5hrs. Really hate taking them. I rue the day I started Mirtazapine. It has completely destroyed my ability to sleep.SadSadSad

5YearsLeft · 08/03/2022 21:07

Hello all and welcome to the extremely confused post-midnight thread. It’s only about 8pm but I generally run things here and I’m dying in general and unfortunately had an extra spot of dying for the last week. Sorry all. Let’s try to get things back on track. I’ll be here to open things at midnight but wanted to respond for people who have gotten a bit lost in the last few days.

@Soton Good. Grief. What an incredible amount to have going through your mind. First of all, you’re not alone. I was raised by my gran and granddad, but my da was also very abusive toward my mum and forced her to get an abortion before me. He wanted her to abort me as well but she “ran away” to her parents until it was too late for an abortion. I do wonder how her having that much stress while I was in the womb affected me (not that I blame her for any of it,, though I wish for her sake that she’d never gone back to him). She did eventually leave him and remarry a very wonderful man when she was about 48. And then she got horrible cancer about two years later and her new husband has stuck by her through everything so, eh, life. You can’t control your parents. You can’t control what they do. It sounds like maybe they’re with you for a visit? And it sounds like maybe horrible timing; and maybe like these visits are never great. Like maybe your mum told you to try to explain why she is the way she is, since it sounds like her personality doesn’t rub along with yours very well. But yes, these things (her illegal abortion and being told by her MIL to just get over it, then your abortion and perhaps feeling like you couldn’t talk about it), they pass down, and they linger. I don’t know if you’ve heard the term generational trauma but it refers to trauma that gets passed down in a family, so because your mother went through something traumatic, for example, the effects may be felt by you, and so on. This happens a lot with poverty, racism, physical and sexual abuse, people traumatized by war. Here’s a good link about it: www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-flourishing-family/202107/breaking-the-chains-generational-trauma
As for how we don’t “screw up our little ones,” everyone wishes they had a perfect answer, but the best thing is communication. Like you said, you wish your mother had told you about this before your own abortion. So when it’s age appropriate (maybe when she’s having sex ed or when you discuss her getting sexual protection like going on the pill), tell your daughter about your abortion and that you’ll always be there for her. The best thing you can do is try to talk to your child, and if they can’t talk to you, find someone they can talk to (a counsellor, etc). If things are falling apart in your marriage, don’t think you can hide it from your DD, so just try to be open and honest and make sure she doesn’t feel scared about an uncertain future. As for your marriage, all you can do there is try to communicate as well - determine if what’s left can be fixed if you talk, with or without the help of a counsellor, or if something is broken that you can’t fix and you and your husband and DD need to find a new way to be a family. You can sort it after your mum and dad are gone (it sounds like their visit will end soon?). I wish you the very best of luck.

@mrsglum As always, I’m just sorry you’re going through this. I don’t know if the other comments on this thread help at all (@catwomando going through long COVID for six months, but is now recovering; @Coroico97 was on here and had pain for months and months, had surgery, and I think is sleeping now; and I think there are more). I know it’s still awful right now, but don’t give up. And if you EVER feel tired, any time, day or night, lay down aid you can. I know some people lose their ability to sleep, feel like they’re going to drop dead at about 3pm and still don’t just lay down at 3pm because it feels wrong. When you’re this tired and sick, there is no “wrong.”

@Wallywobbles That picture with the cat is priceless. Don’t know what we’d do without you.

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Wallywobbles · 08/03/2022 21:22

These guys are 7 weeks now. Chunky buggers.

Tallisimo · 08/03/2022 23:37

@Wallywobbles what a fab cat shot!
@Coroico97 I really hope you’re not here coz you are sleeping peacefully all night!
@MrsGlum don’t despair, we’re all here to help you get there x
@Soton goodness, what a lot to deal with x
@5YearsLeft love you x

5YearsLeft · 08/03/2022 23:48

Close enough to say HELLUUUUUUU and welcome to the after-midnight thread. If life is being a complete and utter bastard to you, if you’re awake with pain, illness, grief, stress, anxiety, worry, overthinking, too much wine, not enough wine, poorly babies or children or OHs or pets, anything including the usual insomnia… welcome to the thread for you.

Feel free to rant, rave, whinge, and have a wobble.

@Wallywobbles Look at those 7-week-old lamb bums! You’re the best.

@Tallisimo Love you too! Hate your sciatica. Booooo sciatica. Hope it lets you have some sleep tonight.

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