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AIBU about changes to DPs stag

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Mizanined · 04/02/2022 14:55

Name changed for this in case the people involved are on here! :D

So DPs stag do before our August wedding is planned for Easter, his two best men booked a dozen of them in an AirBnB at the seaside for a weekend, about an hour from where most of our group (bar one couple G and B) live and grew up.

About two years ago G moved away up to Newcastle to be with his gf B who is from there. Just after the booking was made B messaged the best men asking if the venue could be moved as seaside town was a long way for G to travel, and hard for him to get home from quickly if needed (they have an 18mo DS). DP wasn't really bothered as hes just looking forward to having everyone together in one place for the first time in ages, and is keen to just drink and play video games etc. As a group theyre not massively into big nights out etc so in the end the best men agreed to move it. However the only comparable accom. available was in the next town along from us, where the boys all went to college and where DP currently works.

In the last week B has started messaging our main group chat; it transpires her and the baby are also going to drive down and stay somewhere locally for the weekend. Bit weird but fine! One of the best men who lives in the stag town even offered her his house to stay in for free for the weekend (he lives alone).

B has now messaged the group saying she has booked a place for herself - essentially the annex of the place the boys are staying! It is seprarate to their cottage but sharing a driveway and possibly even an entrance! She has now somehow got herself added to the boys group chat and is heavily pushing to be involved in events, including asking if their meal on the Saturday can be moved forward so she and baby can come (which would involve moving the one big outdoor activity they have booked), and oh if I'm coming we may as well invite Mizaninded and all the other girls as well!

Understandably the best men are getting a bit pissed off. DP to his credit is trying to be nice and just saying its fine, why not just turn it into a big group holiday etc but this just doesnt sit right with me for a few reasons:

  • The moving the venue to be easier for G is bollox because its barely 40 minutes difference
  • The new cottage does look lovely BUT its only the next town over from our home - seaside town would at least have been somewhere new to explore, opportunity for pubs / eating out etc but now if they want a pub etc it will basically the local places DP goes to all the time so won't be particularly special for him - AND to cap it off the new cottage is literally in the shadow of DPs work so it won't exactly feel like a holiday!
  • The boys won't exactly be taking cocaine and partying with strippers etc but a gf and baby just through the wall will totally change the dynamic!
  • Now starting to feel guilty about my own hen, which is about 3 weeks later and involves a beach weekend in a foreign country. Most of the guys gfs / wives etc are coming to this and the guys are all sucking up plans to solo parent etc for that weekend without complaint.

I guess I'm just feeling gutted for DP that this event, which is supposed to be special for him, has basically been completely taken over and am also a bit pissed off with B. I know its nothing to do with me really but AIBU?

OP posts:
Toanewstart23 · 16/02/2022 10:18

Why would she admit that now?

Toanewstart23 · 16/02/2022 10:20

Makes zero sense that she feels so incredibly vulnerable in this relationship

Abs yet admire to lying to him about being on the pill Confused

Pipsquiggle · 16/02/2022 10:26

So your peer group are all still quite young then. I read somewhere that your brain isn't fully developed until 25.

Putting my most cynical hat on, B deliberately trapped G into this relationship by getting pregnant - god she just sounds like a nightmare.

Mizanined · 16/02/2022 10:26

It sounds mad tbf. I think their arguing over the stag party has suddenly caused a lot of other things to come out

I always had my suspicions that emotionally she was a bit all over the place. I think the ex bf K cheating on her messed her up a lot even tho
as far as I can tell shes been just as bad???

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Mizanined · 16/02/2022 10:29

Haha we're quite sensible normally I promise! I have a Sociology degree and everything ;)

But yeah most of our group have turned / will be turning 26 this academic year - B is a bit older tho shes 34 in a few weeks

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Pipsquiggle · 16/02/2022 10:35

@Mizanined I really hope both the stag, hen, wedding and marriage goes well.

I think all you can do (via bridesmaids, best men & G) is be clear with B as to what she can attend and what she can't.

Control, what you can control - forget the rest.

Sounds like B is a law unto herself so will probably just do what she likes - just don't let that affect your important days coming up.
Good luck!

CurzonDax · 16/02/2022 10:40

@Mizanined

It sounds mad tbf. I think their arguing over the stag party has suddenly caused a lot of other things to come out

I always had my suspicions that emotionally she was a bit all over the place. I think the ex bf K cheating on her messed her up a lot even tho
as far as I can tell shes been just as bad???

Absolutely, she's just as bad. She blames most of her 'upset' on being cheated on by K. Yet, she dated both K and G at the same time (at the start of B + G's relationship). Why is it not okay for K to cheat on her (quite rightly), yet it's okay for her to cheat on G with K (did K even know she had started seeing someone else to? If not, both men were being cheated on).

Why has G still not told her that she is not allowed anywhere near the stag? I would put money on her definitely showing up at some point.

Also - have they managed to sort out the restaurant arrangements?

irishfarmer · 16/02/2022 10:46

B is certainly unhinged! She is just as bad a K, she was cheating on G when she got with him. She also lied about being on the pill! That is their mess though.

Hopefully she stays away from the stag and as you said she won't get near your hen.

Mizanined · 16/02/2022 10:49

I'm not sure about whether K was aware but there was definite overlap between the two relationships, for about half a year if sounds like, yeah we all agree G included that she is a complete hypocrite.

With the restaurant, annoyingly they weren't able to change it back to 8pm as it was originally as by the time this all came to light they were fully booked at 8 (it is the sort of place that u need to book ages in advance, and booking a table for 10 would fill up most of its capacity) - I think the 5pm one got cancelled and they have instead booked a curry place for 8pm ish

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Mizanined · 16/02/2022 10:57

She did used to mention K (as her ex in a general omg what a dickhead way) - as far as I can tell the timescale of everything that has taken place is:

Xmas 2018 - B “breaks up” (e.g. stays in a weird on/off relationship) with K after he cheats on her at a stag do, hence her irrational hatred / fear of all things stag do

Feb 2019 - B & G get together. She is still living in Newcastle but they travel at weekends to see each other. Pretty sure her and K are still secrerly living together at this point

Some time in summer 2019 - B ACTUALLY breaks up with K and she moves down south

November 2019 - B falls pregnant "whilst on the pill"

Jan 2020 G & B move up to Newcastle cos imminent baby

August 2020 their DS is born

Feb 2022 - all of our stag and hen plans go to shit because B is a psycho woman

OP posts:
BaconMassive · 16/02/2022 11:19

G should get a paternity test

Pipsquiggle · 16/02/2022 11:26

@BaconMassive

G should get a paternity test
agree
Sazzlepop22 · 16/02/2022 11:30

Best men need to create a new chat and not include her.

Alternatively, this is your mans stag so you could interfer with it like she has? Contact her and tell her to back off as you want your man to enjoy himself.
You've not got any loyalty to her or a relationship to lose.

Just occurred to me too, how is she going to dominate YOUR wedding if she thinks this is acceptable and is allowed to continue?

BABAHOTEL · 16/02/2022 11:35

Controlling and irrational!

Bookworm20 · 16/02/2022 11:56

Whilst the whole thing sounds totally nuts, something did hit home with me a little.
I've worked in the past with trauma victims, so many of who suffered from severe anxiety. I'm tallking proper anxiety, not the just feeling out of their comfort zone anxiety, but the sort that really affects someone physically even, and they can't rationalise their feelings properly. And do things, which in hindsight, after the event are totally crazy and over the top.

I'm obvioulsy guessing here, but basing it on whats actually gone on.

It seems B had a real shit relationship before, one she didn't or couldn't extract herself from easily, (hence the overlap?)where she was treated like shit? and its had a profound impact on her mental state going forward. And on her being able to trust.
She obviously was so anxious she literally invited herself to the stag to the point it got completely out of hand. The guys were then mocking her on the whatsapp chat. That to me does not sound like nice guys, sorry. I get they were pissed off, but surely at this point someone would be thinking - this isn't normal, theres something going on with her far bigger than just wanting to be nearby for the baby. Probably her reason for never wanting to see any of them again, as it would have fuelled her anxiety even more.

On top of this, now G has told his mates he wants to break up with her (have we any idea B knows this, as it seems she perhaps dosen't).
Whilst it isn't G's job to repair her mental damage from past trauma, I'd of thought the fact he is secretly planning to leave her and telling his mates this behind her back is going to shatter this young woman even further.

One young woman I worked with who sounds very similar to B in the things she has done, was incredibly affected by trauma caused by someone she had in her mind, in a position of trust and who she trusted. (Think the worst thing anyone can do to you physically that you thought would never do something like that) It shattered her world. her new BF who absolutely loved her to bits, knew of this and attended some sessions because he loved her and really wanted her to feel safe with him. He was a really lovely guy and living with her couldn't have been easy at times. One thing he said which has always stuck with me is that If he needs to tell her 100 times a day he loves her, then that is what he will do and he doesn't mind. if he needs to tell her everything he does to make her feel safer, then that is what he will do because he loves her and she is the most important thing to him. He doesn't consider it needy or clingy or stupid. Its just something she needs and something he will happily provide if it helps her. It costs him nothing.

I'm not saying B is the same, but this behaviour we have all agreed isn't normal or healthy.

I do wonder why none of the bridesmaids thought to reach out to her, even a little, and try and find out the issue and possibly help in reassuring her. Instead it seemed like everyone just took the piss a bit and called her mental.

she could of course just be compltely and utterly batshit, but I think if that was the case it would've come to light very early on, for everyone who knew her. Trauma is easy for a person to hide, a bit like depression can be hidden, until something triggers it that then escalates a situation sometimes to the extreme.

I hope if G is really planning to leave her, he lets her know this soon. Being talked about behind their back, not knowing whats going on, is one of the biggest fears of people who have suffered trauma from physical or emotional betrayal. And it does not sound like G is perhaps strong enough to help this woman at this stage in their life. It would be kinder if he left, rather than deceive.

Might also be kinder for anyone going on the hen do to bear this in mind that she could actually be suffering mentally because of something in her past which she is struggling to control, as opposed to purposely wrecking the stag do.
Of course its no ones responsibility and shouldn't excuse horrible behaviour, but perhaps just taking a step back and thinking, maybe theres something bigger going on with her, maybe I can make this a bit more managble by just being nice and attempting to understand. Often makes much more of a difference than people realise.

Brefugee · 16/02/2022 12:02

B needs therapy. G needs a paternity test.
OP your hen orgenisers need to say to B that she is not coming. She has blocked you so why the F should she be invited to your event.

Have fun!

AcrossthePond55 · 16/02/2022 14:59

Oh good heavens! B has more baggage than Grand Central Station!

So, now G has decided that he wants out. That is his right and IMHO he now needs to shit or get off the pot. But if he's anything like our former friend, he'll whinge and complain but won't do anything about it.

Just tell your DH to tell the rest of the 'Stags' that whilst he can say whatever he wants, they need to be careful what they say. Again, if G is anything like our friend and their words will get straight back to B as "My friends say...". Or even worse, there were times (we found out later) that our former friend took his friend's names 'in vain' and told his wife that THEY had said things to him that he had said to them!

What a mess!

sillysmiles · 16/02/2022 15:17

@Toanewstart23

G tells two BM, your DH and another bloke that he’s unhappy in his relationship and planning on ending it

Before actually speaking with his partner?

To be fair, women often seek support from others before leaving their partner - particularly where children are involved.
Mumof3confused · 16/02/2022 17:22

She sounds absolutely awful. And now it’s clear how G ended up with her in the first place, she tricked him.

PyongyangKipperbang · 16/02/2022 18:51

@Toanewstart23

G tells two BM, your DH and another bloke that he’s unhappy in his relationship and planning on ending it

Before actually speaking with his partner?

You mean like the vast majority of women who leave their husbands do? Ever read the relationship board on here?!
Hawkins001 · 16/02/2022 22:19

@Mizanined

Hi to everyone who wanted an update:

The boys had a Zoom call the other day and basically it turns out the whole story of B and G getting together is different to what they had been telling people - I dont really get the details but essentially B got together with G before she had properly broken up with her ex (who we will call K) - B only admitted this to G within the last couple of weeks. BUT B and K were on again / off again for a while before this because apparently K had a habit of cheating on her whenever he was away on a stag do! Hence why B automatically believes that any group of guys going away on a stag do etc are always up to no good!

In the Zoom call G basically said hes no longer happy being with her but its complicated due to their DC and the fact he has now moved so far away, had to change professions cos of the move etc. He is looking forward to coming to the stag and reconnecting with everyone etc, looking into the logistics of breaking up and how co-parenting long distance would work.

Still kind of dreading the stag tbh! The latest is that B is still coming down but is going to stay with her in laws (G's parents) but not get involved in the stag as the original plan. Apparently she has started making noises around wanting to go and watch the outdoor activity the guys are taking part in "so we can watch Daddy win" which the best men are probably taking a dim view of. DP has been told not to worry and has been promised a stag to remember.

As far as my own hen goes I'm properly in the dark as my bridesmaids who are organising it have made all the chats etc secret from me again. I would be unbelievably surprised if B tries to turn up at the airport but then who knows...

its appreciated for the update, and ill happy say im wrong and we get a follow up, all the best op.
Justilou1 · 17/02/2022 01:06

This woman sounds like an utter nightmare. I do hope he extricates himself and manages to see his child. Sounds like she will go batshit when they breakup though… 😫😫😫

Toanewstart23 · 17/02/2022 08:33

@Justilou1

This woman sounds like an utter nightmare. I do hope he extricates himself and manages to see his child. Sounds like she will go batshit when they breakup though… 😫😫😫
He wont Someone like this will stay But just endlessly bitch about the situation to friends and family I would put money on it
ISmellBurnings · 17/02/2022 10:17

Wow that is not the update I was expecting!

I agree about the paternity test. And the lying about being on the pill? What a cow.

GreenFlipFlop · 18/04/2022 09:00

Would love an update on how the stag! Hope it went smoothly?

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