Boris - new low

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Obviously he's running scared from his own side as well and Labour and the excellent contribution from Ian Blackford - no doubt Dennis Skinner would have done the same if still an MP.

However, there was no need for Johnson to stoop to the level of more lies - this time trying smear Kier Starmer with untrue allegations about Jimmy Savile.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/60213975

@wanttomarryamillionaire

The way boris phrased it was wrong but the fact is that Keir Starmer was head of the CPS when they failed to bring jimmy savile to justice while he was alive! Keir starmer was also head of a CPS that refused to prosecute Asian grooming gangs because they didn't want to be seen as racist. All info is widely available on the internet. The simple fact is that when you are in charge the buck stops with you! Boris is a twat but having met Keir starmer in a work capacity i can happily say he's really not much better!

Surely the buck stops with the the Attorney General?

www.gov.uk/government/ministers/attorney-general

I love this question from PMQ’s. Sums up the situation perfectly.

Angela Eagle to Boris Johnson: “If the PM needs a Met Police inquiry to tell him whether he attended a party on 13th November in his own Downing St flat, why should we believe he's a fit and proper person to have his hand on the button of our independent nuclear deterrent?”

Surely the buck stops with the the Attorney General?

In that case surely the bucks stops with the PM when things go terribly wrong at number 10? But he doesn't want that "buck stops at the top" logic to apply to him does he?

Hang on - is Boris saying Savile was dodgy? This Savile?

@BitOutOfPractice

Surely the buck stops with the the Attorney General?

In that case surely the bucks stops with the PM when things go terribly wrong at number 10? But he doesn't want that "buck stops at the top" logic to apply to him does he?

Exactly, you won't find any arguments from me there BitoutofPractice, I think Boris Johnson has been wholly ineffectual and irresponsible and this current debacle is preventing him from doing his job. He has also offended and lost the trust of thousands of people who gave birth alone, suffered in hospital alone (or witnessed their family members doing so), organised weddings and funerals with very restricted numbers and under v stressful circumstances, and those are events that they are not likely to forget.

@Fairylightsongs

To be fair stammer was in office during these periods and saville wasn’t actually taken to trial, and journalists were. It’s more stammer was saying ir wasn’t his decision, albeit in a very dramatic way.

twitter.com/BBCRosAtkins/status/1488587034591744006?t=hWXF5Ps5oaEyWgYh8XX5Jw&s=19

BBC Reality Check here:

www.bbc.com/news/60213975

'He has also offended and lost the trust of thousands of people who gave birth alone'

This is terrible. Where did it happen? I understood a partner could be present for the birth and a short time afterwards, just no other visitors. I had no idea 'thousands of women' gave birth alone..

@JaniieJones

'He has also offended and lost the trust of thousands of people who gave birth alone'

This is terrible. Where did it happen? I understood a partner could be present for the birth and a short time afterwards, just no other visitors. I had no idea 'thousands of women' gave birth alone..

Details here - pregnantthenscrewed.com/2021/06/18/7-of-women-have-given-birth-alone/

Are you deliberately misunderstanding my paragraph JanieJones? I was including everyone who gave birth alone, stayed in hospital alone, organised weddings and funerals with restricted numbers in my "thousands of people" - I think that is pretty clear.

But to take your question at face value; despite the NHS rules in place at the time:

"Almost 7,000 women who gave birth during the past month’s Omicron surge were surveyed by campaign group Pregnant Then Screwed about restrictions in place at their NHS trust, with the charity labelling them a “postcode lottery”.

Almost 42 per cent of women said they couldn’t have a birth partner with them until they were in established labour, while 22 per cent said they were told they weren’t allowed a birth partner if they had caught Covid.

More than a third (37.3 per cent) said their chosen partners were not allowed to attend antenatal appointments

This is despite current NHS England guidance stating that birth partners – categorised as “support people” – are allowed to be present during labour and the birth even if the mother tests positive for Covid, but must isolate if they test positive themselves.

inews.co.uk/news/mothers-forced-give-birth-alone-covid-pandemic-hospital-restrictions-1403949

From the link I posted -
"A survey conducted by Pregnant Then Screwed with over 4106 women who had given birth between the 8th October and the 8th December found that roughly 2,500 women had given birth alone due to hospital restrictions. Of the roughly half of hospital births that are not induced, seven per cent are being subjected to lone births. The majority were across all regions of England."
This was when twat face and his cronies were pissing it up the wall to shite ABBA songs.

'Almost 42 per cent of women said they couldn’t have a birth partner with them until they were in established labour, while 22 per cent said they were told they weren’t allowed a birth partner if they had caught Covid.'

If would seem reasonable that they couldnt have a birth partner with them until they were actually in labour and of course they weren't allowed a birth partner if they had caught covid

Keir starmer was also head of a CPS that refused to prosecute Asian grooming gangs because they didn't want to be seen as racist

See below for comment from the chief prosecuted. He disagrees with you.

Twitter comment from one of papers political editors is that there is talk among MPs of another no confidence letter going in at 5pm. Not sure how many that is today?

PM’s refusal to withdraw the Jimmy Savile comment apparently the trigger.

@StarbucksSmarterSister

Keir starmer was also head of a CPS that refused to prosecute Asian grooming gangs because they didn't want to be seen as racist

See below for comment from the chief prosecuted. He disagrees with you.

That quote does not say what you claim.

@JaniieJones

'Almost 42 per cent of women said they couldn’t have a birth partner with them until they were in established labour, while 22 per cent said they were told they weren’t allowed a birth partner if they had caught Covid.'

If would seem reasonable that they couldnt have a birth partner with them until they were actually in labour and of course they weren't allowed a birth partner if they had caught covid

The point is that women who endured very long and distressing labours and were without the support of birth partners up to the point of delivery, may disagree with you JaniieJones about it being "reasonable" for them to be alone while the person in charge who made the rules was chatting and sipping wine with his friends at a Downing Street gathering!

'The point is that women who endured very long and distressing labours and were without the support of birth partners up to the point of delivery,'

Well no, that wasn't what was said. Nobody has said they were whisked in only at the point of delivery, rather they could only attend once in labour. Which tbh is pretty much what I experienced years ago pre covid.

@JaniieJones

'The point is that women who endured very long and distressing labours and were without the support of birth partners up to the point of delivery,'

Well no, that wasn't what was said. Nobody has said they were whisked in only at the point of delivery, rather they could only attend once in labour. Which tbh is pretty much what I experienced years ago pre covid.

Well it is what happened in my sister's local hospital and in one of my god-daughter's local hospitals despite the regulations in place at the time allowing for !ore leniency!

And please stop deflecting from the main point of this thread which is that our Prime Minister behaved in the words of Jimmy Savilles's victims "in a grubby and reprehensible way" using their case to extract himself from his own personal wrong doings.

more leniency

@JaniieJones

'The point is that women who endured very long and distressing labours and were without the support of birth partners up to the point of delivery,'

Well no, that wasn't what was said. Nobody has said they were whisked in only at the point of delivery, rather they could only attend once in labour. Which tbh is pretty much what I experienced years ago pre covid.

Stop digging.

Again

roughly 2,500 women had given birth alone due to hospital restrictions.

Alone whilst Boris and pals were on the piss after issuing stern warnings to all of us. One rule for them, one rule for us as usual.

@SamphiretheStickerist

I don't think it should have been said but, be fair, there have been threads here on the same subject. It is true, after all. Easy to verify too.

It won't become a lie, or in any way less reprehensible a fact, just because Johnson said it.

Except it isn’t true. It’s a barefaced lie.

@WendyTreetops

Police forces up and down the country have failed and still fail to investigate grooming gangs properly.

In March 2015, Greater Manchester Police apologised for its failure to investigate the child sexual exploitation allegations more thoroughly between 2008 and 2010.[7] Sara Rowbotham, the sexual health worker who first recognised patterns of child abuse in the community and fought to bring these crimes to police attention, was made redundant in 2014.[8] A former Detective Constable who was investigating the grooming gangs, Margaret Oliver, resigned in 2012 in disgust of the handling of the cases by the police force and spoke out as a whistleblower to inform the public

Its not the CPS's job to launch investigations.

It won't become a lie, or in any way less reprehensible a fact, just because Johnson said it

Except it isn’t true. It’s a barefaced lie

..and it won't become true just because you keep spouting the same lie over and over again.

People who know a lot more about the subject than you or i have said its not true, no one in authority will repeat it outside of the 'commons & Tory MPs are asking BJ to stand down because they also know its untrue.
..and if you genuinely believe he shouldn't have said it, why are you banging on stating its true? are you Gove?

[quote Alexandra2001]@WendyTreetops

Police forces up and down the country have failed and still fail to investigate grooming gangs properly.

In March 2015, Greater Manchester Police apologised for its failure to investigate the child sexual exploitation allegations more thoroughly between 2008 and 2010.[7] Sara Rowbotham, the sexual health worker who first recognised patterns of child abuse in the community and fought to bring these crimes to police attention, was made redundant in 2014.[8] A former Detective Constable who was investigating the grooming gangs, Margaret Oliver, resigned in 2012 in disgust of the handling of the cases by the police force and spoke out as a whistleblower to inform the public

Its not the CPS's job to launch investigations.[/quote]
Trying to distract from what you were called out on? Shame.