Boris - new low

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Obviously he's running scared from his own side as well and Labour and the excellent contribution from Ian Blackford - no doubt Dennis Skinner would have done the same if still an MP.

However, there was no need for Johnson to stoop to the level of more lies - this time trying smear Kier Starmer with untrue allegations about Jimmy Savile.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/60213975

@Alexandra2001

It won't become a lie, or in any way less reprehensible a fact, just because Johnson said it

Except it isn’t true. It’s a barefaced lie

..and it won't become true just because you keep spouting the same lie over and over again.

People who know a lot more about the subject than you or i have said its not true, no one in authority will repeat it outside of the 'commons & Tory MPs are asking BJ to stand down because they also know its untrue.
..and if you genuinely believe he shouldn't have said it, why are you banging on stating its true? are you Gove?

So it's not true but, according to you, Starmer apologised for it. Get your story straight.

Surely, what Starmer did or did not do, as leader of the CPS, has absolutely no bearing on what is currently being investigated by Sue Gray and the Met Police, which is what the Prime Minister, his current wife, and his cronies, did, in direct contravention of the lockdown rules they instigated, others followed, to their considerable detriment and suffering, and apparently, they did not? I'm sorry, I refuse to be distracted from that by Johnson's ridiculous, infantile, whataboutery. And apparently quite a few prominent Tories feel much the same way. . .

'Surely, what Starmer did or did not do, as leader of the CPS, has absolutely no bearing on what is currently being investigated by Sue Gray '

Oh but it does. The buck either stops with the boss or it doesn't.

We can't on the one hand blame Johnson for everything civil servants were getting up to because he's the boss but then say oh no the cps's failings weren't Starmer's fault because he wasn't involved in that specific case.

Of course Johnson needs to answer to allegations aimed specifically at him but not the whole of Downing Street staff.

No it does not. It does not have bearing or relevance, on Johnson's actions.

As has been pointed out previously the Attorney General superintends DPP & CPS.

Meanwhile the PM broke lockdown and then in the course of covering it up misled Parliament.

@Notonthestairs

As has been pointed out previously the Attorney General superintends DPP & CPS.

Meanwhile the PM broke lockdown and then in the course of covering it up misled Parliament.

And yet in 2013 Starmer, not the AG, apologised for his departments failures.

I guess the AG was frit.

Of course Johnson needs to answer to allegations aimed specifically at him but not the whole of Downing Street staff.

I recollect that when specifically asked about the parties in his flat, he totally ducked the issue and waffled on about something else. Even Allegra Stratton managed to say that No she wasn't at the party which caused her to resign.

So it would seem to most of us that Johnson was in his flat when Carrie was celebrating Cummings ousting.

@longwayoff

Bozbots, all as shameless and duplicitous as their gangmaster. Does he tutor them on Zoom? 🍷

Shall I call you StarmerBots, or should we debate like grown ups?

Yes - he was on TV this morning outraged that Starmer was unjustly accused. This rumour started with right wing trolls, has been acknowledged and PROVEN as untrue, and is still perpetuated by right wing trolls on Mumsnet.
Repeating a lie doesn't make it true.

And yes, thank you to the poster up thread - let us not forget who supported Savile! And who Savile supported.

@Mrsmadevans

I worry he is so desperate to save his own skin he will get our military involved with Ukraine/Russia . Hence taking the attention off his rotten behaviour .

Exactly. It's horrific to think that members of the armed forces will potentially go to their deaths to save this oaf's skin. How can we possibly trust his judgment when it comes to decisions like that?

Repeating a lie doesn't make it true.

Only if you take a leaf out of the Goebbel's playbook. People think it's true and that's good enough.

To be fair we can’t hAve it both ways, we happily say anything going wrong in government and Boris is personally responsible. If we like this approach then it should be applied to stammer. He was in charge.

Well, no, we don't. We didn't say Johnson should resign when Hancock got caught, for instance. We're talking about things that are his direct responsibility.

@SamphiretheStickerist

Jesus H! Apologies for the abysmal typing there.

WHO? Seripsuly, party of individual possible leader. Who is there that is in any way electabel in any of the parties?

WHO? Seriously any party or any individual possible leader. Who is there that is in any way electable, anywhere?

We're only talking about the Conservative party since they're not going to contemplate risking a General Election. If they really can't muster one leader from 358 MPs, however, maybe they should simply resign en masse and not stand again for government at all.

@wanttomarryamillionaire

The way boris phrased it was wrong but the fact is that Keir Starmer was head of the CPS when they failed to bring jimmy savile to justice while he was alive! Keir starmer was also head of a CPS that refused to prosecute Asian grooming gangs because they didn't want to be seen as racist. All info is widely available on the internet. The simple fact is that when you are in charge the buck stops with you! Boris is a twat but having met Keir starmer in a work capacity i can happily say he's really not much better!

I've got news for you. The fact that something is widely available on the internet doesn't make it true. Particularly when what you are mainly talking about is far right wing sites.

@Notonthestairs
You're claiming that the DPP is not the head of the CPS? Careful ...

*Wendytreetops.

Nazir Afzal was the chief prosecutor of grooming gangs in the north of England. He says Starmer aided in the prosecution of 100s of those abusers. And he should know better than you or I whether or not the CPS refused to prosecute.

There is no doubt there were issues but they were caused by the attitudes of police (and social workers) who referred to "lifestyle choices" and weren't interested in investigating further in a number of cases. Not by Starmer.

'Well, no, we don't. We didn't say Johnson should resign when Hancock got caught'

Snogging someone in an office is hardly a comparable scenario is it?

@JaniieJones

'Well, no, we don't. We didn't say Johnson should resign when Hancock got caught'

Snogging someone in an office is hardly a comparable scenario is it?

People are trying to claim that Johnson's critics assert that he is personally responsible for each and every foul-up by members of his government. This is just one of a number of instances which illustrates that that is untrue.

Do stop trying to wriggle away from the facts, it's so boringly obvious.

Johnson needs to answer to allegations aimed specifically at him but not the whole of Downing Street staff.

10 Downing Street isn't that big so I disagree. He works and lives in the building so the idea he didn't know what was going on there is absurd.

Any parties held in other Whitehall departments, such as the Home Office, would be a different issue. I don't expect him to have X ray eyes.

yet in 2013 Starmer, not the AG, apologised for his departments failures.

Perhaps KS had a greater sense of responsibility? He was also the one who ordered the enquiry in the first place, not the AG.

I'm astonished that someone who has enthusiastically attended so many parties, didn't recognise one when he, apparently, stumbled into it. It almost defies belief. . .

Like I said upthread - this Trumpian tactic will lose the decent Tory voters out there.

There are no doubt some Tories this tactic will appeal to. I suspect there are also those who are appalled by this tactic and will want to disassociate themselves from it.