Page 3 | Boris - new low

daimbarsatemydogsbone · 2022-02-01T16:50:34+00:00

Obviously he's running scared from his own side as well and Labour and the excellent contribution from Ian Blackford - no doubt Dennis Skinner would have done the same if still an MP. However, there was no need for Johnson to stoop to the level of more lies - this time trying smear Kier Starmer with untrue allegations about Jimmy Savile. [[https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/60213975]]

sadpapercourtesan · 01/02/2022 17:23

@Samcro

I am surprised that anyone believes or listens to anything this liar says. Scarey

This.

I thought Keir Starmer's speech yesterday was magnificent. Dignified, adult, and quite rightly furious. Boris' despicable mud-slinging showed him for exactly what he is: a vicious, selfish, damaged little boy who will say and do anything to get himself out of a caning.

SamphiretheStickerist · 01/02/2022 17:24

I think in that nobody in the CPS was unaware of any part of the Savile enquiry. Plausible deniability, yes, actually having no knowledge. No way.

You can't insist the whole of the BBC etc knew and did nothing and then give the man in charge of the CPS a free pass.

HomeHomeInTheRange · 01/02/2022 17:25

The “as far as I can make out." at the end of Boris’ accusation tells us all we ever need to know.

Kendodd · 01/02/2022 17:25

He commissioned an enquiry following Savile's death and apologised to victims for Police and CPS failing to prosecute but the report didn't find any personal wrongdoing.

Unfortunately, none of that matters. Johnson's supporters will believe Stamer personally defended Savile.

draramallama · 01/02/2022 17:27

To be fair we can’t hAve it both ways, we happily say anything going wrong in government and Boris is personally responsible. If we like this approach then it should be applied to stammer. He was in charge.

The Covid rules they imposed upon us - and that Johnson explained to us regularly on live TV - were complex, but they weren't introducing 3,460 new rules every day.

Besides which, the question of whether Johnson should be held accountable for hosting a party that he attended in his own home is a totally different scenario.

mbosnz · 01/02/2022 17:27

And yet Johnson was apparently unaware he was even attending parties. . . how about that for implausible deniability?

What I can't fucking figure out is how the nasty little bastard could attend three parties (at least) and swerve SIX FUCKING COBRA MEETINGS?!

SamphiretheStickerist · 01/02/2022 17:28

And that's why it was a reprehensible thing to say.

But I can't let my utter dissdain for the clown blind me to the fact that he lies well and, in this case, didn't actually say what people are interpreting him as having said.

Hate him for it, but don't be so partisan you get blinded to the reality.

And please, while you are at it, find a politician we can all vote for!

Unsure33 · 01/02/2022 17:28

@Kendodd

He commissioned an enquiry following Savile's death and apologised to victims for Police and CPS failing to prosecute but the report didn't find any personal wrongdoing.

Unfortunately, none of that matters. Johnson's supporters will believe Stamer personally defended Savile.

I don’t believe that at all , however if he was in charge of the cps I don’t understand why he is not ultimately responsible?

draramallama · 01/02/2022 17:29

@SamphiretheStickerist

I think in that nobody in the CPS was unaware of any part of the Savile enquiry. Plausible deniability, yes, actually having no knowledge. No way.

You can't insist the whole of the BBC etc knew and did nothing and then give the man in charge of the CPS a free pass.

Eh? What are you on about?

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daimbarsatemydogsbone · 01/02/2022 17:31

He may have insinuated it but he didn't say it. As I said, he chose his words far more carefully.
This is ridiculous defence of Johnson. Why would he even mention Savile if not to smear Johnson with an allegation that is long standing and already disproven? It stinks and so does Johnson.

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Unescorted · 01/02/2022 17:36

To be fair it is providing a good smoke screen for the Dept of Health report writing off £7.8bn spent on dodgy PPE/COVID contracts uncovered by the NAO

Or to reframe it almost the entirety of the NHS budget or amount raised by the NI increase.

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daimbarsatemydogsbone · 01/02/2022 17:37

To be fair we can’t hAve it both ways, we happily say anything going wrong in government and Boris is personally responsible. If we like this approach then it should be applied to stammer. He was in charge.

Absolutely not - I don't think Johnson can be blamed for the entire shitshow of a government we have. He has a lot of help from other tossers. He can very much be blamed for the very obvious lies he has repeatedly told, for his lack of respect for us and for his conduct and various offensive pronouncements.

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Parker231 · 01/02/2022 17:37

@LadyEloise1

I'm living in Ireland and wouldn't know a whole lot about UK politics and politicians. I heard what Boris said about Keir Starmer on Sky News or BBC news and was pretty shocked by it and it did colour my view then of Keir Starmer. So it's not true ?

It’s not true. Boris and the Tories know this but Boris is, as usual, trying to distract.

HarrietPierce · 01/02/2022 17:37

@SamphiretheStickerist You are misinformed

Reuters Fact Check
@ReutersFacts
·Although Keir Starmer was head of CPS, another lawyer was responsible for Jimmy Savile's case, Reuters and Full Fact report

The CPS told Reuters that there is no reference to any involvement from Starmer in the decision-making within a report examining the actions in the case. Starmer later criticised the handling of the allegations by police and prosecutors

"Starmer subsequently criticised the handling of the allegations by police and prosecutors in his 2013 statement on the report. He also apologised for 'shortcomings in the part played by the CPS in these cases' and said he hoped it would be a 'watershed moment' for the handling of such complaints." -- Reuters

AmbushedByCake1 · 01/02/2022 17:38

Johnson has used the rape and abuse of children as a shield and distraction for his many shortcoming.

Absolutely reprehensible.

ADisgruntledPelican · 01/02/2022 17:39

YANBU that he shouldn't have said it but I can't honestly say it's a new low for him. Boris' entire life is a catalogue of treating people badly and many of them have been in less powerful positions than the leader of the opposition.

mbosnz · 01/02/2022 17:41

How interesting that he was sacked twice as a journalist for the tabloids for lying, and yet there is apparently a lesser standard of accountability for the leader of the Government.

Parker231 · 01/02/2022 17:42

www.bbc.co.uk/news/60213975.amp

Lots of criticism for Boris

luckylavender · 01/02/2022 17:45

@SamphiretheStickerist

I don't think it should have been said but, be fair, there have been threads here on the same subject. It is true, after all. Easy to verify too.

It won't become a lie, or in any way less reprehensible a fact, just because Johnson said it.

You want to be very careful throwing around libellous comments like that. It's completely untrue. True that Thatcher gave Saville his knighthood though.

SueSaid · 01/02/2022 17:46

'So Starmer was there, in post at the time. There being no evidence that he had nothing to do with the decision personally almost makes it worse, he led the CPS, he should have known and had some input.'

Exactly. The buck stops with Johnson we've been told repeatedly in recent days but Starmer head of the cps wasn't involved at all in this very high profile case. Didn't know anything about it! no one consulted him at all. I mean seriously, it's one rule for Johnson and another for Starmer.

and the excellent contribution from Ian Blackford'

luckylavender · 01/02/2022 17:48

@LadyEloise1

I'm living in Ireland and wouldn't know a whole lot about UK politics and politicians. I heard what Boris said about Keir Starmer on Sky News or BBC news and was pretty shocked by it and it did colour my view then of Keir Starmer. So it's not true ?

Because he wasn't in charge of the case. In fact he was the person who commissioned the review. It's so dangerous to just churn out these lies.

FridayiminlovewithRobertSmith · 01/02/2022 17:49

It’s a far right conspiracy theory so I’m wondering about those people on this thread that believe it to be wide spread knowledge. Not only is it a lie, but Keir Starmer actually ordered a review of the decision not to prosecute when he was DPP and the department issued an apology on his watch. So his conduct is the opposite of that which Johnson accuses him.

But Boris Johnson is a cunt. He should resign for lying to Parliament about Covid Parties. How can he not feel deep shame for insulting victims of pedophilia through repeating a disgusting lie?

He has no morals so he won’t go. But I hope the country votes him out for this (and so much more).

luckylavender · 01/02/2022 17:51

@SamphiretheStickerist

Starmer led the Crown Prosecution Service when it decided not to prosecute Savile in 2009 due to insufficient evidence, a decision it later apologised for. But there is no evidence that Starmer was personally involved in the decision

So Starmer was there, in post at the time. There being no evidence that he had nothing to do with the decision personally almost makes it worse, he led the CPS, he should have known and had some input.

In case it needs saying clearly, I don't vote Tory. I have been a card carrying Labour Party member for almost the whole if my adult life - until Corbyn. Starmer has not changes my mind. I remain politically homeless.

But there IS evidence he had nothing to do with it. I don't care whether you like or loath Starmer. But these comments are frankly libellous.

luckylavender · 01/02/2022 17:52

@Fairylightsongs

To be fair stammer was in office during these periods and saville wasn’t actually taken to trial, and journalists were. It’s more stammer was saying ir wasn’t his decision, albeit in a very dramatic way.

Maybe do your own research & stop spreading slander. Educate yourself.

Unsure33 · 01/02/2022 17:53

[quote HarrietPierce]@SamphiretheStickerist You are misinformed

Reuters Fact Check
@ReutersFacts
·Although Keir Starmer was head of CPS, another lawyer was responsible for Jimmy Savile's case, Reuters and Full Fact report

The CPS told Reuters that there is no reference to any involvement from Starmer in the decision-making within a report examining the actions in the case. Starmer later criticised the handling of the allegations by police and prosecutors

"Starmer subsequently criticised the handling of the allegations by police and prosecutors in his 2013 statement on the report. He also apologised for 'shortcomings in the part played by the CPS in these cases' and said he hoped it would be a 'watershed moment' for the handling of such complaints." -- Reuters[/quote]
Apologies as we know are easy to throw about and mean nothing . So in all the investigations did it say that such a high profile complicated case was NEVER referred upwards at all ? That he absolutely knew nothing about the case or that his staff were dealing with it ? Then there must have been a failing in training then surely . If a head of a social services department is responsible for failings then I don’t understand why the head of the CPS is not.

But I don’t agree Boris should have said it .