Boris - new low

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Obviously he's running scared from his own side as well and Labour and the excellent contribution from Ian Blackford - no doubt Dennis Skinner would have done the same if still an MP.

However, there was no need for Johnson to stoop to the level of more lies - this time trying smear Kier Starmer with untrue allegations about Jimmy Savile.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/60213975

@JaniieJones

'You say that people gathered in staff rooms and communal areas "all the time." How do you know'

How do you think I know? I have family and friends and many work for the nhs where sitting together in groups in staff areas eating dominos was common. Not breaking the law because workplace gatherings where pizzas (or even cake!!) were consumed was allowed.

I'm not talking about the 1am civil service party that clearly wasn't during work hours but we'll have to wait and see how many of the others broke work place rules.

All the sneering at Dorries is just horrible. If we say anything critical about Angie it's 'misogyny' but it's open house for Dorries on the other BJ echo chamber thread, part 6?

Eating while at work is often necessary. In general NHS staff can't eat their food in isolation at their workstations, as an office-worker in a reduced-staff office might. It's the same reason that NHS canteens and similar were always exempted from closure under the regulations, even when other work canteens were forced to close.

Are you aware of any instances of the boardroom of an NHS Trust being used to host a buffet, with drinks, to celebrate the Chief Executive's birthday, attended by his wife, his interior designer and various members of staff from around the hospital?

'Eating while at work is often necessary. In general NHS staff can't eat their food in isolation at their workstations'

Of course and that is my point. Eating at work is necessary and allowed. Whether its pizza cake or a sausage roll. Again, lines were crossed with the 1am thing I agree hence the resignations.

'What has Boris actually done right - I can’t think of anything??'

Furlough, vaccine roll out (no, it wasn't done all by the nhs without gov actually in charge of it), jobs, the economy, freedom day July despite Starmer saying the 'Johnson variant' would cause devastation if we opened up (it didn't), allowing Christmas etc to go ahead without restrictions despite Scotland and Wales panicking and imposing unnecessary restrictions..

@JaniieJones

'It was illegal, as were many Downing Street “gatherings”, or whatever the fuck you tell yourself they were to minimise them. You’re just wrong. Either you voted for the idiot and can’t acknowledge how wrong you were or you didn’t observe the law, either'

Well we'll have to wait and see if 10mins in an office with colleagues was illegal won't we. I think not but maybe the Met will think it did, we don't know at this stage do we.

I did observe the law yes.

If I break into your house for less than 10 minutes, am I not a burglar?

Finally I would still like to know why his wife was sitting at a business meeting in the No 10 garden on I think 15th May?

Surprisingly there was no law preventing gatherings in a private place on 15th May 2020 so the excuse that it was a work gathering isn't needed.

The law at the time prevented gatherings in a public place and leaving the home for anything except a valid reason - going to work, getting essential supplies etc. There was no law about gatherings in a private place - because nobody would have been able to leave home to attend such a gathering anyway.

It's been acknowledged that the garden of 10&11 Downing Street is primarily for the use of the PM and his family, so she had every right to be there. The 'workers' who were there weren't breaking any law because they'd left their homes to go to work and weren't 'gathering' in a public place.

The law was changed on 1st June 2020 to include gatherings in a private place.

Something to watch for people on here struggling with the truth about Boris 😂😂😂😂😂 (you know who you are!!!!).

www.nytimes.com/video/opinion/boris-johnson-party-scandal.html?smid=url-share

Furlough, vaccine roll out (no, it wasn't done all by the nhs without gov actually in charge of it), jobs, the economy, freedom day July despite Starmer saying the 'Johnson variant' would cause devastation if we opened up (it didn't), allowing Christmas etc to go ahead without restrictions despite Scotland and Wales panicking and imposing unnecessary restrictions..

But, but... you've said all along that he doesn't actually make the decisions on any of this and doesn't actually do anything. You've said that all the decisions are taken by Parliament and all the work is done by civil servants. Have I misunderstood?

[quote Parker231]**@JaniieJones
If he resigns I certainly won't be devastated but for now he is the best person for the job as he has been for the last 2years, he has done much right.

What has Boris actually done right - I can’t think of anything??[/quote]
What Boris has done exceedingly well is make his already rich mates, richer. Presumably @JaniieJones is one of them?

@JaniieJones

'Eating while at work is often necessary. In general NHS staff can't eat their food in isolation at their workstations'

Of course and that is my point. Eating at work is necessary and allowed. Whether its pizza cake or a sausage roll. Again, lines were crossed with the 1am thing I agree hence the resignations.

'What has Boris actually done right - I can’t think of anything??'

Furlough, vaccine roll out (no, it wasn't done all by the nhs without gov actually in charge of it), jobs, the economy, freedom day July despite Starmer saying the 'Johnson variant' would cause devastation if we opened up (it didn't), allowing Christmas etc to go ahead without restrictions despite Scotland and Wales panicking and imposing unnecessary restrictions..

OK Nadine, we get it.

All the sneering at Dorries is just horrible

Not sure about 'sneering', but pointing out the inane interview she had on TV "The PM does not lie" while admitting to her complete lack of knowledge about the Savile/Starmer issue, clearly points out she is a sycophantic dim wit, unfit for any position in government. If she knew nothing about it, why did she come to an immediate biased conclusion.
She must be the only living species that would think Johnson does not lie!

Of course and that is my point. Eating at work is necessary and allowed. Whether its pizza cake or a sausage roll. Again, lines were crossed with the 1am thing I agree hence the resignations.

Eating together at work was allowed where necessary. Popping into the boardroom for a buffet for the boss's birthday and standing around drinking beer isn't necessary for the sustenance of staff. There are obviously other more sensible options available or they'd have had to have had buffets in the Cabinet Room every day.

@FatFredsFriedEgg

Furlough, vaccine roll out (no, it wasn't done all by the nhs without gov actually in charge of it), jobs, the economy, freedom day July despite Starmer saying the 'Johnson variant' would cause devastation if we opened up (it didn't), allowing Christmas etc to go ahead without restrictions despite Scotland and Wales panicking and imposing unnecessary restrictions..

But, but... you've said all along that he doesn't actually make the decisions on any of this and doesn't actually do anything. You've said that all the decisions are taken by Parliament and all the work is done by civil servants. Have I misunderstood?

No, not at all, it was made quite clear on another thread that Johnson just pops up from time to time to water the pot plants, pass on messages and boost morale with his clown routine.

Furlough, vaccine roll out (no, it wasn't done all by the nhs without gov actually in charge of it), jobs, the economy, freedom day July despite Starmer saying the 'Johnson variant' would cause devastation if we opened up (it didn't), allowing Christmas etc to go ahead without restrictions despite Scotland and Wales panicking and imposing unnecessary restrictions..

Furlough - mismanaged - £4.3bn, less people in employment than at the start of the pandemic , economy - in a major mess - performing poorly against other countries, cost of living out of control, inflation forecast to go even higher and the biggest drop in living standards in over 30 years.

Not exactly anything to be proud of?

'Are you aware of any instances of the boardroom of an NHS Trust being used to host a buffet, with drinks, to celebrate the Chief Executive's birthday, '

No, because I expect there aren't many nhs based moles but I would guess many, many people heard happy birthday being sung in a workplace with a cake being presented.

Yes we know sadly we couldn't visit relatives in hospital but we could eat with colleagues. Bet Dominos did a roaring trade.

'Not sure about 'sneering', but pointing out the inane interview she had on TV "The PM does not lie"

Yes, whatever. My point was pointing out Angie's many gaffes are 'misogyny' on mn whereas with Dorries it's fiiiiine. It's one rule for Ange and another for everyone else.

despite Scotland and Wales panicking and imposing unnecessary restrictions

No panicking involved - it is called leading and taking decisions based on scientific evidence that supports the health of your population. Maybe in Johnson did that at the beginning instead of allowing Cheltenham Races and football matches to go ahead, we'd have controlled the virus sooner.

Does anyone (apart from that one person on here ) watch and listen to Nadine Dories and think oh look there is a sensible woman with honesty and integrity, I think I'll take what she says very seriously?.

@JaniieJones

'Are you aware of any instances of the boardroom of an NHS Trust being used to host a buffet, with drinks, to celebrate the Chief Executive's birthday, '

No, because I expect there aren't many nhs based moles but I would guess many, many people heard happy birthday being sung in a workplace with a cake being presented.

Yes we know sadly we couldn't visit relatives in hospital but we could eat with colleagues. Bet Dominos did a roaring trade.

'Not sure about 'sneering', but pointing out the inane interview she had on TV "The PM does not lie"

Yes, whatever. My point was pointing out Angie's many gaffes are 'misogyny' on mn whereas with Dorries it's fiiiiine. It's one rule for Ange and another for everyone else.

If singing happy birthday and having cake indoors was fine, why did Boris Johnson deny it to millions of children? Is he more important than them? Or less able to stick to rules?

@ClaudineClare

Kudos to all those still engaging with janiie. You have a lot of patience, but I worry your heads will eventually explode from all the wall banging. Even if Johnson is handed a thousand PCNs janiie will insist she is right and everyone else is wrong.

I meant FPNs I think, but you get my drift.

@StoneofDestiny

despite Scotland and Wales panicking and imposing unnecessary restrictions

No panicking involved - it is called leading and taking decisions based on scientific evidence that supports the health of your population. Maybe in Johnson did that at the beginning instead of allowing Cheltenham Races and football matches to go ahead, we'd have controlled the virus sooner.

It is also important to remember that very many people in England ignored Johnson at Christmas reduced significantly their social contacts in a way that was much more similar to the rules in Scotland and Wales.
So Johnson got away with not introducing rules because many people behaved sensibly, something that he seems incapable of.

No, because I expect there aren't many nhs based moles but I would guess many, many people heard happy birthday being sung in a workplace with a cake being presented.

I think we can be fairly certain that if that had gone on at an NHS Trust as blatantly as it seems to have gone on at Downing Street somebody would have reported it. In general NHS Trust management aren't exactly well-loved by their staff.

I would guess many, many people heard happy birthday being sung in a workplace with a cake being presented.

Which isn't a problem if the staff are taking refreshments in the place which is most practical for them to do so. If however they travel to an entirely different part of the building, where they don't even work never mind normally take their refreshments, for the purposes of a celebration (a social gathering) and they meet there with other people with whom they don't work, then it was a criminal offence.

@ClaudineClare

Kudos to all those still engaging with janiie. You have a lot of patience, but I worry your heads will eventually explode from all the wall banging. Even if Johnson is handed a thousand PCNs janiie will insist she is right and everyone else is wrong.

I am just hoping that @JaniieJones can provide us with a complete list of crimes that do not count if they take place for less than 10 minutes?

If I spend less than 10 minutes beating someone up, presumably that does not count?

'Furlough - mismanaged - £4.3bn, less people in employment than at the start of the pandemic , economy - in a major mess - performing poorly against other countries, cost of living out of control, inflation forecast to go even higher and the biggest drop in living standards in over 30 years.'

Furlough. In a crisis it had to happen fast. I'm not surprised fraudsters took advantage of that, if payments had taken forever to process everyone would have been in uproar. It was an emergency, mistakes will have been made.

Inflation etc is a global problem we've just had a pandemic. Recovery will take years.

Jobs??

I draw your attention to 'The number of payroll employees was also up by 207,000 between August and September to a record 29.2 million.This was 122,000 higher than levels seen before the pandemic struck in February 2020.'

I can answer this for you jgw1:

If singing happy birthday and having cake indoors was fine, why did Boris Johnson deny it to millions of children?

Children are not working. Only gatherings at work allowed.

Is he more important than them? Or less able to stick to rules?

In his own mind, yes and the rules don't apply to him.

People gathered in staff rooms and communal areas all the time. Also, what about the numerous nhs tiktok clips. All the illegal dancing that certainly wasn't necessary for work, should the Met investigate them?!

Explain how that changes what the law said, @JaniieJones?

And actually, no, people didn't gather all the time. They might have where you were, but all over the country people were conscientiously not going in to work, and when they did, staff rooms were closed, one way systems were in place, meetings didn't happen.