Boris - new low

[daimbarsatemydogsbone]

Obviously he's running scared from his own side as well and Labour and the excellent contribution from Ian Blackford - no doubt Dennis Skinner would have done the same if still an MP.

However, there was no need for Johnson to stoop to the level of more lies - this time trying smear Kier Starmer with untrue allegations about Jimmy Savile.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/60213975

[quote Clavinova]jgw1

You must have a very low opinion of Joe Biden then - 917,600 Covid deaths.

nypost.com/2021/11/28/biden-seen-flouting-mask-wearing-rule-at-nantucket-store/[/quote]
@Clavinova You should be careful, there are some posters on this thread who do not like the dishonest use of statistics.
Was Biden president when all of those deaths occurred?

Was the UK's death toll per capita higher with Boris "let the bodies pile high" Johnson than the US was under a president who was extolling the virtues of injecting bleach into the longs?

Just to remind everyone, that when kier left office after this massive overhaul, they had the highest conviction rate of child sex crimes ever.
Meanwhile Bojo advised on radio that money was being 'spaffed up the wall' on child sex abuse cases.

Didn't Johnson also joke about 'Operation Last Gasp'? Tasteless if nothing else.

Blossomtoes
Almost as disappointing as seeing people defend the perpetuators of the most brazen dishonesty ever seen in public life.

I thought three Labour MPs were jailed for fraud in the expenses scandal?

@Francescaisstressed

Just to remind everyone, that when kier left office after this massive overhaul, they had the highest conviction rate of child sex crimes ever. Meanwhile Bojo advised on radio that money was being 'spaffed up the wall' on child sex abuse cases.

While we are talking about the criminal justice system, should we consider what has happened to the funding of the police and courts in the last 10 years?

@Blossomtoes
Don't think I've seen many people defend Johnson here. There's a few defending the truth though ...

[quote WendyTreetops]@Blossomtoes
Don't think I've seen many people defend Johnson here. There's a few defending the truth though ...[/quote]
Do you own a mirror?

@Clavinova

Blossomtoes Almost as disappointing as seeing people defend the perpetuators of the most brazen dishonesty ever seen in public life.

I thought three Labour MPs were jailed for fraud in the expenses scandal?

Yep and noone is defending that. The point is rather than comment on the atrocities of Bojo is the old whataboutism of everyone else. If I was a Tory and he was leading charge, I still wouldn't defend him. Surely you can see past party loyalty to know that he's rotten?

@jgw1
Wow, you've magically learned about rates!

jgw1

I quite clearly posted;
"You must have a very low opinion of Joe Biden then".

injecting bleach into the longs?

That would be very odd indeed.

..should we consider what has happened to the funding of the police and courts in the last 10 years?

Indeed - had a grim smile yesterday when "reduce murder and manslaughter" appeared in the so-called levelling up plan - absolute joke.

@Clavinova

Blossomtoes Almost as disappointing as seeing people defend the perpetuators of the most brazen dishonesty ever seen in public life.

I thought three Labour MPs were jailed for fraud in the expenses scandal?

More whataboutery Clav. Fiddling expenses is pretty small beer compared with the litany of Johnson’s dishonesty which covers his entire life time. And two Tories were also jailed, forgotten them, have you?

@Clavinova

jgw1

I quite clearly posted;
"You must have a very low opinion of Joe Biden then".

injecting bleach into the longs?

That would be very odd indeed.

@Clavinova

I am not sure why you are misquoting yourself.

You must have a very low opinion of Joe Biden then - 917,600 Covid deaths.

You really should be careful there are some posters on here today that are really upset by this kind of deceit.

I shall ask you again, did all of those 917600 covid deaths in the US occur when Biden was president?

[quote WendyTreetops]@Rosscameasdoody
Er, what are you misunderstanding. Starmer was responsible for the CPS at the time the decision was made. It's accepted that it's reasonable to describe senior public servants as responsible for failings in their department even if they weren't personally involved in particular decisions. I don't think Starmer was culpable here, but in general political discourse what Johnson said was completely reprehensible but it wasn't a lie.[/quote]
One more time and then not arguing the toss with you any more. There were two decisions made regarding whether or not to prosecute - one decision was made by police to drop the investigation as the complainant didn’t want to take it any further, nothing to do with the CPS and before Starmer became DPP. After Starmer’s appointment as DPP, four other complaints against Savile were considered by the case manager at CPS and it was decided not to prosecute for lack of evidence - again, no hope of a conviction so pointless, as the complainants didn’t want to take it to court. After his death, the full extent of Savile’s crimes became known and Starmer himself, as DPP, commissioned the report into the CPS in which failings were uncovered. He then took responsibility for those failings as head of the organisation - even though he wasn’t personally involved in those decisions - and apologised. At no point did he lie or attempt to cover up any failings - quite the opposite in fact. So not only was what Johnson said completely reprehensible, it was also a lie. In addition it was the most outrageous hypocrisy given the way Johnson has lied and almost turned himself inside out trying to suppress the Gray report for as long as possible while he tries to recover. Does that make things clearer for you ?

jgw1
I shall ask you again, did all of those 917600 covid deaths in the US occur when Biden was president?

How does dividing that figure in half benefit your argument?

@Rosscameasdoody your posts are clear and accurate and could be "misunderstood" only by somebody wilfully determined to do so. The tactic is to keep the discussion going, to divert attention from the fact that the PM is under police investigation (and apparently requires the police to inform him whether he attended parties in his own flat).
Most people - including decent tories - are horrified by the depths to which Johnson and his little helpers have sunk.
These are not good faith posters.

@SamphiretheStickerist

Starmer led the Crown Prosecution Service when it decided not to prosecute Savile in 2009 due to insufficient evidence, a decision it later apologised for. But there is no evidence that Starmer was personally involved in the decision

So Starmer was there, in post at the time. There being no evidence that he had nothing to do with the decision personally almost makes it worse, he led the CPS, he should have known and had some input.

In case it needs saying clearly, I don't vote Tory. I have been a card carrying Labour Party member for almost the whole if my adult life - until Corbyn. Starmer has not changes my mind. I remain politically homeless.

If there wasn't sufficient evidence what do you think he should have done, made some up? I suppose some people would.

I wonder if Starmer will get your details from MN and you can defend yourself in court, no parliamentary privilege for you.

Reminder of my post earlier today;

(He was head of the cps at the time)

Indeed - similar situation here:

2012
News International and Phone-hacking - Culture, Media and Sport Committee.

255. Neither former Acting Deputy Commissioner Yates nor the Director of Public Prosecutions Keir Starmer were personally involved in the key events that occurred in 2006-07. Given the extraordinary revelations in the media and in civil court cases in the years that followed, however, they both bear culpability for failing to ensure that the evidence held by the Metropolitan Police was properly investigated in the years afterwards, given all the opportunities to do so, and that the sufficiency of the evidence was not reviewed by the CPS.

His behaviour reminds me of my old boss. He got 7 years in prison in the end

[quote Clavinova]jgw1

You must have a very low opinion of Joe Biden then - 917,600 Covid deaths.

nypost.com/2021/11/28/biden-seen-flouting-mask-wearing-rule-at-nantucket-store/[/quote]
What the fuck ahs Joe Biden got to do with Boris being a lying stinking piece of excrement who wouldn't know the truth if it hit him in the gob?

@CryingAtTheDiscotheque

..should we consider what has happened to the funding of the police and courts in the last 10 years?

Indeed - had a grim smile yesterday when "reduce murder and manslaughter" appeared in the so-called levelling up plan - absolute joke.

I was confused as to why the Minister for Levelling up was not apologising for ruining the life chances of so many young people with the mess he made of the education system.

@Clavinova

jgw1 I shall ask you again, did all of those 917600 covid deaths in the US occur when Biden was president?

How does dividing that figure in half benefit your argument?

Why would you divide it in half? Surely if what you are saying was to make any sense you would quote the number of deaths since Biden had been President?

I'm am really surprised that the honesty police have not been attacking you for it.

@Clavinova

VikingOnTheFridge As I said, we're talking about a Boris specific problem

Boris Johnson's name isn't even mentioned in the Guardian article I linked to (November 2021).

However - in my other link;

[Jeremy Corbyn] defended his decision to appear on Press TV (Iranian state-funded TV) several times, being paid up to £20,000 according to reports, as late as six months after its licence was revoked in the UK.

Boris Johnson's name not having been mentioned in whatever article you felt moved to link to is an irrelevance, as is Corbyn's having been on Press TV. The only person here who claimed whilst FS Nazanin had been teaching journalism in Iran is Boris. He is the only person mentioned who potentially made her situation worse. It's actually quite an impressive achievement to do something even scummier than Corbyn's Press TV work, but Boris has managed it.

@Clavinova

Reminder of my post earlier today;

(He was head of the cps at the time)

Indeed - similar situation here:

2012
News International and Phone-hacking - Culture, Media and Sport Committee.

255. Neither former Acting Deputy Commissioner Yates nor the Director of Public Prosecutions Keir Starmer were personally involved in the key events that occurred in 2006-07. Given the extraordinary revelations in the media and in civil court cases in the years that followed, however, they both bear culpability for failing to ensure that the evidence held by the Metropolitan Police was properly investigated in the years afterwards, given all the opportunities to do so, and that the sufficiency of the evidence was not reviewed by the CPS.

Reminder - Boris presides over all sorts of wrongdoings and lies.

Keri Starmer - doesn't - and is only being discussed because Boris and his various Tory shills on here want people to be distracted from the fact that Boris isn't fit to be an MP or Prime minister.