Boris - new low

[daimbarsatemydogsbone]

Obviously he's running scared from his own side as well and Labour and the excellent contribution from Ian Blackford - no doubt Dennis Skinner would have done the same if still an MP.

However, there was no need for Johnson to stoop to the level of more lies - this time trying smear Kier Starmer with untrue allegations about Jimmy Savile.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/60213975

What the fuck ahs Joe Biden got to do with Boris being a lying stinking piece of excrement who wouldn't know the truth if it hit him in the gob?

Some rather callous posters like to go on about the nearly million covid deaths in the US as though it somehow makes our own governments poor handling of the covid crisis look better.

What they don't seem to realise is it says more about them and the lack of positive arguments for Boris than anything else.

@Clavinova

Blossomtoes Almost as disappointing as seeing people defend the perpetuators of the most brazen dishonesty ever seen in public life.

I thought three Labour MPs were jailed for fraud in the expenses scandal?

And several Tories were implicated and asked to repay funds - a toaster, a duck pond and a moat are the ones that come to mind. Also one very prominent ex Tory Mp and one ex cabinet member jailed for perjury. No amount of mud slinging is going to make this right.

@jgw1 indeed - and had another grim smile when Gove started droning sorrowfully about people in the north being overlooked and undervalued "for years"... I mean I almost admire the chutzpah...almost but not quite

@Rosscomeasdoody
So, once again, is it a lie to say that Starmer was head of CPS when it decided not to prosecute Savile? Second question, is it acceptable in political discourse to hold senior public servants accountable for the actions of the organisations they lead even if they weren't aware of them?

Johnson's comment was reprehensible but it was not actually a lie. Despite you suggesting this, Johnson did not say that Starmer tried to cover it up, so the fact that Starmer didn't cover it up does not make Johnson's slur a lie. I wish people could think rationally and honestly about this instead of picking a side and getting emotional.

VikingOnTheFridge
Boris Johnson's name not having been mentioned in whatever article you felt moved to link to is an irrelevance

It's not an irrelevance - the Guardian article goes into some detail.

daimbarsatemydogsbone

My post was highly relevant to the discussion - sorry if you don't like that. Another reminder - I didn't start this thread.

Johnson's comment was reprehensible but it was not actually a lie.

This is getting worryingly Orwellian. If it wasn’t a lie, why are Tory MPs resigning over it? Why are the letters to the 1922 committee piling up? And if it was true, why was it “reprehensible”? Surely it would be entirely fair if it was true?

@Blossomtoes

Johnson's comment was reprehensible but it was not actually a lie.

This is getting worryingly Orwellian. If it wasn’t a lie, why are Tory MPs resigning over it? Why are the letters to the 1922 committee piling up? And if it was true, why was it “reprehensible”? Surely it would be entirely fair if it was true?

As far as I can tell the argument put forward by Dorries and some posters is that since Boris Johnson said it, and Boris is not a liar then it is not a lie.

Keir Starmer was only DPP for the final three years of Saville's life.

If he has any blame so do many other former DPPs.

By the time Starmer was DPP there was no hope of seeing Saville convicted and serving time for his offences. He was a very old man likely to die before he came to trial. It would have involved vast sums of public money with little prospect of a successful outcome. I guess Johnson would have accused him of "spaffing money up the wall".

@Blossomtoes
Orwellian in what sense?

It was reprehensible largely because of context. If the context was Starmer criticising the Government for not prosecuting a particular high profile alleged offender it would have been, possibly, an acceptable comeback. Not every unacceptable comment is a lie - I think that's where you're getting confused.

@jgw1
Still opining on people's honesty? Haven't we spoken about this before?

On repeat WendyTreetops

The Times
@thetimes
Up-pointing red triangle JUST IN: Boris Johnson has been warned that more Tory MPs will put in letters of no confidence unless he retracts his claim that Sir Keir Starmer failed to prosecute Jimmy Savile when he was director of public prosecutions

[quote WendyTreetops]@jgw1
Still opining on people's honesty? Haven't we spoken about this before?[/quote]
I was just trying to save you the bother of having to point out the dishonesty. If you like in future I will post like this
@WendyTreetops look here is another dishonest post for your consideration.

@jgw1
Well, it would help other readers to know not to believe what you say. Thanks!

As far as I can tell the argument put forward by Dorries

I have to go out - but Michael Gove backed the PM yesterday as well;

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-keir-starmer-jimmy-savile-michael-gove-b2005718.html

[quote WendyTreetops]@jgw1
Well, it would help other readers to know not to believe what you say. Thanks![/quote]
Ok, its a plan. I think it could work well.

@Clavinova

VikingOnTheFridge Boris Johnson's name not having been mentioned in whatever article you felt moved to link to is an irrelevance

It's not an irrelevance - the Guardian article goes into some detail.

daimbarsatemydogsbone

My post was highly relevant to the discussion - sorry if you don't like that. Another reminder - I didn't start this thread.

Nothing in the Guardian article remotely pertains to your Piers and Jeremy Corbyn point so yes, it's irrelevant. As is the fact that you didn't start this thread.

So, back to the point: Johnson as FS was so inept that he claimed a British citizen being held in an Iranian prison had taught journalism in Iran. Nobody else. Just him. That was his fault and only his.

Orwellian in what sense?

Go and read 1984 then you’ll understand.

Good piece by Peston about why decent tories recognise that the Johnson smears matter
www.itv.com/news/2022-02-03/sir-keir-starmer-finds-his-voice

'Good piece by Peston'

Good piece by Peston?

@Clavinova

My post was highly relevant to the discussion

No it wasn't.

“And if all others accepted the lie which the Party imposed—if all records told the same tale—then the lie passed into history and became truth " George Orwell 1984

[quote WendyTreetops]@Rosscomeasdoody
So, once again, is it a lie to say that Starmer was head of CPS when it decided not to prosecute Savile? Second question, is it acceptable in political discourse to hold senior public servants accountable for the actions of the organisations they lead even if they weren't aware of them?

Johnson's comment was reprehensible but it was not actually a lie. Despite you suggesting this, Johnson did not say that Starmer tried to cover it up, so the fact that Starmer didn't cover it up does not make Johnson's slur a lie. I wish people could think rationally and honestly about this instead of picking a side and getting emotional.[/quote]
That's all fair enough on a narrow and highly pedantic interpretation.

Johnson's comment was reprehensible

Yes it was - and even if one is determined not characterise it as a lie, it's highly scurrilous and misleading - so much so that it makes it unlikely anyone's going to repeat it outside the house of commons.

[quote WendyTreetops]@Alexandra2001
Please don't be dishonest. Johnson did not say Starmer was 'personally involved'. And Starmer was head of the CPS which is why he was right to take responsibility and apologise for his organisation's failings. You need to realise how you're undermining your case by exaggerating.[/quote]
Bl00dy hell! i can only assume you don't read what is posted?

"spent most of his time prosecuting journalists and failing to prosecute Jimmy Savile".

..his time...

Very clear what Bozo said, it was a personal attack.