Boris - new low

[daimbarsatemydogsbone]

Obviously he's running scared from his own side as well and Labour and the excellent contribution from Ian Blackford - no doubt Dennis Skinner would have done the same if still an MP.

However, there was no need for Johnson to stoop to the level of more lies - this time trying smear Kier Starmer with untrue allegations about Jimmy Savile.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/60213975

So for all the faults regarding who did what on which date I still firmly believe BJ is the best person for the job, certainly to get us out of the covid backlog

Faults? We are talking about criminal offences, being under police investigation and misleading Parliament - the seat of our democracy.

His embarrassing 'faults' (ineptitude) includes being clueless what he is supposed to be talking about e.g. when addressing the CBI he decided to talk about Peppa Pig. His 'faults' include his dress sense, something he plays up to to less like a cunning sociopath and more of a bungling fool. He is in fact both.

You cannot call Johnson's criminal deeds and political ineptitude 'faults'.

This is so reminiscent of Nadine Dorries being asked last night what it would take for her to stop supporting the PM. It ended with the interviewer laughing at her inability to respond. The (very few) Tory supporters here are exactly the same.

'The (very few) Tory supporters here are exactly the same.'

Mn, like Twitter isn't real life. I don't know a single person irl who doesn't think the gatherings at Downing Street should've been reined in but also agree that they've got the big stuff right.

Tobias Ellwood is a hypocrite considering he attended a gathering with 27 people at Christmas so no idea what he's on about.

So scary having Boris Johnson, Nadine Dorries, Rees Mogg and the like having anything to do with running the country. None of them would even pass an interview in normal work situations - vacant beyond belief

@JaniieJones

Come on. Surely you can give us a good list of the qualities of Johnson that make him the right person at the right time to lead us out of this pandemic and make the UK a good place to live?

I don't think Elwood lied about his whereabouts in Parliament?

@JaniieJones

'The (very few) Tory supporters here are exactly the same.'

Mn, like Twitter isn't real life. I don't know a single person irl who doesn't think the gatherings at Downing Street should've been reined in but also agree that they've got the big stuff right.

Tobias Ellwood is a hypocrite considering he attended a gathering with 27 people at Christmas so no idea what he's on about.

Well - we all have our own echo chambers of people we listen to and mix with.

Again, the quote you supplied DOES NOT say anything about Starmer refusing to prosecute. You seem determined to lose an argument by lying instead of being reasonable and honest.

Exactly, because he did no such thing. That's the whole point.

Shame you have to resort to personal abuse. Please don't engage with me again.

@StarbucksSmarterSister
So someone saying something unrelated to the topic somehow supports your argument. Interesting logic. And if you can't handle people challenging your unjustified assertions, don't post.

@JaniieJones

'Well, no, we don't. We didn't say Johnson should resign when Hancock got caught'

Snogging someone in an office is hardly a comparable scenario is it?

Is it not comparable because the snogging happened, whereas what is alleged of Starmer didn't happen?

@JaniieJones

'So - can you explain what qualities you think Johnson has to make him the best leader to lead us out of this pandemic and to make the UK a better place to live?'

We don't have any restrictions, we had Freedom day in July despite Starmer wailing it would be a disaster. We didn't have any restrictions over Xmas despite Scotland and Wales panicking. Plan b wasn't really restrictions was it, many people still wore masks and wfh wasn't a hardship for many. He has made many right decisions.

Our economy, jobs etc all in a good position. Of course there are massive costs to cover, people sitting at home on furlough for 18mths doesn't come cheap.

Sadly the hysterical media egged on by Cummings seem very keen to oust him and some people lap up everything Paul Brand et al tell them.

That's a long list and I am nearly convinced.

You did though forget to mention that a large number of people ignored Boris about Christmas and instead listen to the Scientific advisors and dramatically reduced their social contacts.

If the economy is in such a good position, why is it necessary for the government to introduce such large tax rises in April?

@JaniieJones

'The (very few) Tory supporters here are exactly the same.'

Mn, like Twitter isn't real life. I don't know a single person irl who doesn't think the gatherings at Downing Street should've been reined in but also agree that they've got the big stuff right.

Tobias Ellwood is a hypocrite considering he attended a gathering with 27 people at Christmas so no idea what he's on about.

@JaniieJones Can I just check, that you know that big numbers are not always good news? On getting the big stuff right, for instance it was so right that the UK has the largest covid death toll in Europe, and a slower vaccine take up than many European countries.

@JaniieJones

You wrote to the speaker to complain?!

Yes, I did. I was angry that Johnson accused Starmer of failing to prosecute Saville purely as a distraction / deflection technique re his own potentially criminal behaviour. To cite one of the UKs worst Paedophiles in this way was indefensible & I believe the Speaker should have told Johnson to withdraw that remark as it fails to 'preserve the character of Parliamentary debate' under the Erskine May rules.

I bet Johnsons lies about Starmer has worked though.

I'd really like to see some polling on this and if the average person on the street now thinks it was Stermer personally who chose not to or even blocked the prosecution of JS? I wouldn't be surprised at all if a significant percentage do. Johnson knows that lies work and people are gullible. It's so depressing.

@52andblue
Thats a good idea, I might do the same. Can you post the text of your letter?

[quote Kendodd]**@52andblue
Thats a good idea, I might do the same. Can you post the text of your letter?[/quote]
Why would you want to? Did you not see the lengthy reply?!

@jgw1
UK doesn't have the highest covid death toll in Europe. It has the second highest absolute toll (and has the third largest population) and in terms of deaths as a proportion of population it's 19th.

The more people who highlight a fault in the system at PMQ’s the better. Change can only happen when those with control of the process, accept it and fix it.

@JaniieJones

'Look, I'm not a die hard Tory.'

😂😂😂

Hey laugh all you like but I've voted for other parties in the past.

So you are caught up in the personal cult of the Boris lovers, odd but I suppose there’s a lid for every pot.

[quote WendyTreetops]@jgw1
UK doesn't have the highest covid death toll in Europe. It has the second highest absolute toll (and has the third largest population) and in terms of deaths as a proportion of population it's 19th.[/quote]
Are you counting Russia as a European country even though most of its land area is in Asia? I suppose most of its population does live in Europe though, so one could include it.

In which case one could argue that the UK has the 4th largest population of European countries as one should include Turkey then as well.

The UK seems to have recorded the 4th highest death toll in the last 24hour reporting period, which I am sure is a triumph.

@jgw1
I'm using the definition of Europe used in the Worldometers covid table and discounted Gibraltar as not a sovereign state. You'd come across much better if you were honest and admitted you were wrong. Just a hint.

[quote WendyTreetops]@jgw1
UK doesn't have the highest covid death toll in Europe. It has the second highest absolute toll (and has the third largest population) and in terms of deaths as a proportion of population it's 19th.[/quote]
Highest, Russia isn't a european country.

Of comparable countries (economy/health services/populations) per capita, only Italy is ahead & they got hit first.

But either way, our death toll is quite shocking, the real numbers may well be far higher again, my Nan died in April 2020, with a horrible cough, carers coming in daily, no CV tests done, we didn't have enough and i doubt she was the only one.

100k more people died at home during the first LD than would normally be expected, many reasons but one would be CV.

[quote Kendodd]**@52andblue
Thats a good idea, I might do the same. Can you post the text of your letter?[/quote]
Yes, certainly. I said that I thought the Speaker is doing a good job & that I understand that there are rules that he must implement & obey (such as the 'not openly calling another member a liar') whether they are 'popular' or not.
Then I said that I felt it was very poor indeed that Johnson had referenced Saville in his comments to Starmer in an attempt to deflect blame on to Starmer not himself. I said I thought that was in appropriate, disrespectful to Parliamentary proceedings, & potentially to Saville's victims & other survivors of CSA (of which I am one). I also asked what the process was for registering a complaint and hearing its outcome. I was disappointed to receive a lengthy cut and paste reply.
The same thing happened the only other time I wrote to my MP, when Johnson prorogued Parliament. She sent ne a brief, yet arrogant, cut & paste reply, saying how 'wonderful' Johnson was. (Anne-Marie Trevelyan)

[quote WendyTreetops]@jgw1
I'm using the definition of Europe used in the Worldometers covid table and discounted Gibraltar as not a sovereign state. You'd come across much better if you were honest and admitted you were wrong. Just a hint.[/quote]
I am not interested in debating whether or not Russia is a European country.

2nd highest death toll in Europe is till not good.
4th highest in the world in the last 24hour period, is awful and with precious few mitigations in place to limit spread.

[quote WendyTreetops]@jgw1
I'm using the definition of Europe used in the Worldometers covid table and discounted Gibraltar as not a sovereign state. You'd come across much better if you were honest and admitted you were wrong. Just a hint.[/quote]
Russia shares a border with China and you think its in Europe? Its a transcontinental country i.e spans more than one continent.... WM includes it because 77% of its pop. live in the European bit but that does not make it "european"