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Boris - new low

957 replies

daimbarsatemydogsbone · 01/02/2022 16:50

Obviously he's running scared from his own side as well and Labour and the excellent contribution from Ian Blackford - no doubt Dennis Skinner would have done the same if still an MP.

However, there was no need for Johnson to stoop to the level of more lies - this time trying smear Kier Starmer with untrue allegations about Jimmy Savile.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/60213975

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SueSaid · 02/02/2022 18:12

'Perhaps KS had a greater sense of responsibility'

Well he either had some responsibility or he didn't and by apologising one can only presume he did.

'He works and lives in the building so the idea he didn't know what was going on there is absurd.'

He wasn't even in residence for the 2 before Prince Philip's funeral so not absurd at all.

SueSaid · 02/02/2022 18:16

'There are no doubt some Tories this tactic will appeal to.'

Look, I'm not a die hard Tory. If Labour ever cobble together a credible opposition I'll be all for it, but they haven't and I just can't see them whipping it out of the bag for 2024.

So for all the faults regarding who did what on which date I still firmly believe BJ is the best person for the job, certainly to get us out of the covid backlog.

HarrietPierce · 02/02/2022 18:18

"Well he either had some responsibility or he didn't and by apologising one can only presume he did."

Tony Blair apologised for the Irish potato famine. He was hardly personally responsible.

Parker231 · 02/02/2022 18:21

Boris has lied to the House and the public - can’t see that working in a police interview. He has zero credibility in the U.K. and what is going on is now being reported throughout Europe so he’s pretty useless there as well.
His performance in the House is a disgrace.

cakeorwine · 02/02/2022 18:22

@JaniieJones

'There are no doubt some Tories this tactic will appeal to.'

Look, I'm not a die hard Tory. If Labour ever cobble together a credible opposition I'll be all for it, but they haven't and I just can't see them whipping it out of the bag for 2024.

So for all the faults regarding who did what on which date I still firmly believe BJ is the best person for the job, certainly to get us out of the covid backlog.

Why?

What qualities does he have to make him the best person to lead this country?

SueSaid · 02/02/2022 18:25

@HarrietPierce

"Well he either had some responsibility or he didn't and by apologising one can only presume he did."

Tony Blair apologised for the Irish potato famine. He was hardly personally responsible.

'I would like to take the opportunity to apologise for the shortcomings in the part played by the CPS in these cases.'

He was head of the CPS at the time. The boss.

Now Blair can apologise for the potato famine but as he wasn't personally in charge, let alone alive the apology isn't the same is it.

StoneofDestiny · 02/02/2022 18:25

Well he either had some responsibility or he didn't and by apologising one can only presume he did

Rubbish. Many people show their disapproval at the behaviour of others by apologising for it. For me, last time was yesterday when an oaf pushed in front of an elderly lady at the till point and I apologised for his rudeness 'I'm sorry he was so rude, are you ok'? I've apologised for the behaviour of some UK citizens abroad who were drunk and unruly to a taxi driver to assure him we are not all like that.
It's not uncommon - far from claiming responsibility - it's distancing yourself from such behaviour and assuring victims we are not all like that.

DePfeffoff · 02/02/2022 18:34

The fact that so many Johnson apologists have moved to this thread makes me think that this was an entirely deliberate tactic to try to distract attention from the massive fraud and PPE losses, to say nothing of the latest parties.

We need to concentrate on the simple issue that this man is such an incompetent, hypocritical, corrupt liar that he isn't fit to lead a 5 year olds' football team, let alone the country. It is horrific that he is out in the Ukraine posturing when Ukrainian lives are at stake, and that if a more lethal Covid variant turns up it will be near-impossible to put in place any safety precautions because everyone will assume that Johnson and his cronies are ignoring them.

HarrietPierce · 02/02/2022 18:37

The Times
@thetimes
JUST IN: Boris Johnson has been warned that more Tory MPs will put in letters of no confidence unless he retracts his claim that Sir Keir Starmer failed to prosecute Jimmy Savile when he was director of public prosecutions

So at least some Tory MP's recognise the lie, unlike you JaniieJones.

mbosnz · 02/02/2022 18:38

As much as anything, he is increasingly being perceived by many of his own party as unfit to lead the party, lacks the consensus to lead the party, has shown himself unable to lead the party, so why the bloody hell would you want to continue to give him the country to play with?

StoneofDestiny · 02/02/2022 18:57

"The sheer tawdry Trumpian shabbiness of the whole thing - it is difficult to see how much more of this the party or our political system can survive"
Rory Stewart

longwayoff · 02/02/2022 18:58

Good HarrietPierce. Maybe MN moderators will stop ignoring requests to delete the repeated libellous insults on this thread.

jgw1 · 02/02/2022 19:16

@JaniieJones

'Blackford was brilliant. So glad you agree.'

Well I was laughing at the comment rather than agreeing. Poor Bunter Blackford, bellows 'resiiiiiiign prime minister RESIGN!!' Every single week. He's like a pantomime baddie.

I feel sorry for him tbh I'm not sure he realises how ridiculous he comes across.

At yet Blackford appears measured and dignified compared to the Prime Minister.
WendyTreetops · 02/02/2022 19:18

@StarbucksSmarterSister
Again, the quote you supplied DOES NOT say anything about Starmer refusing to prosecute. You seem determined to lose an argument by lying instead of being reasonable and honest.

jgw1 · 02/02/2022 19:18

@JaniieJones

God, first question at the Ukraine press conference was from a UK reporter asking BJ about partygate. Our media are an utter embarrassment.
Why shouldn't the media ask questions about what everyone is talking about?

You do realise that whilst the 56 year old Big Baby had his birthday party he was denying that opportunity to millions of children?

That the Prime Minister is an embarrassment is not in doubt.

Blossomtoes · 02/02/2022 19:19

[quote WendyTreetops]@StarbucksSmarterSister
Again, the quote you supplied DOES NOT say anything about Starmer refusing to prosecute. You seem determined to lose an argument by lying instead of being reasonable and honest.[/quote]
Funny that. Who would have ever thought such a thing was possible?

cakeorwine · 02/02/2022 19:21

On the replacement for Marr, Sophie Raworth has been having leader's interviews. She's done Keir Starmer, Nicola Sturgeon. I wonder when Boris Johnson will sit down and do a live 20 minute interview where he can be scrutinised. He rarely does them.

For some reason.

52andblue · 02/02/2022 19:28

I wrote to the Speaker.
This was the reply:

"Mr Speaker asked me to thank you for your email and to respond on his behalf.

Mr Speaker has asked me to explain that he is not responsible for Members’ contributions and would not seek to intervene unless something is said that is, in parliamentary terms, disorderly.

Nothing occurred on Monday that was, in technical terms, disorderly. That being said, Mr Speaker feels that allegations such as these should not be made lightly - especially in view of the guidance in Erskine May – the definitive guide to parliamentary procedure – about good temper and moderation being the characteristics of parliamentary debate.

Mr Speaker was far from satisfied that these comments were appropriate or helpful on this occasion, even if they did not fall outside the rules. He would like to see more compassionate and reasonable politics in the House of Commons, and these sorts of comments only enflame opinions and create discord.

However, it is not for the Chair to adjudicate on the accuracy or veracity of Members’ contributions, so long as the contents of their words remain orderly. Mr Speaker can only operate within the powers afforded to him by the House and it would not beappropriate for him to play the role of fact checker during, or subsequent to, debates.

If a Member feels that a Minister has been deliberately misleading, as opposed to inadvertently mistaken, they could table a substantive motion criticising the conduct of that Minister and seek to initiate debates on the detail of the Government policy in question, as well as tabling questions to pursue statements made at the dispatch box.

Members are not otherwise allowed to accuse each other of lying unless debating a substantive motion directly addressing the point. Erskine May says that this is to “preserve the character of parliamentary debate” and that “expressions when used in respect of other Members which are regarded with particular seriousness, generally leading to prompt intervention from the Chair and often a requirement on the Member to withdraw the words, include the imputation of false or unavowed motives; the misrepresentation of the language of another and the accusation of misrepresentation; and charges of uttering a deliberate falsehood.” (paragraph 21.24)

The Speaker takes all comments from members of the public very seriously and would like to reassure you that one of his principal concerns is to ensure that the highest standards of debate are maintained in the House of Commons. He always does his utmost to encourage Members to conduct themselves in a dignified and productive manner in the Chamber, and to remind them of the views of the public on this matter. He is aware that there is much to be done in this regard and will continue to press for improvements.

I hope that the above information is helpful. Thank you for taking the time to write and please accept our best wishes.

Kind regards,

Josh Ryder
Assistant to the Speaker’s Secretary
­­Speaker’s Office, House of Commons, London SW1A 0AA
parliament.uk

SueSaid · 02/02/2022 19:31

You wrote to the speaker to complain?!

daimbarsatemydogsbone · 02/02/2022 19:31

@JaniieJones

'There are no doubt some Tories this tactic will appeal to.'

Look, I'm not a die hard Tory. If Labour ever cobble together a credible opposition I'll be all for it, but they haven't and I just can't see them whipping it out of the bag for 2024.

So for all the faults regarding who did what on which date I still firmly believe BJ is the best person for the job, certainly to get us out of the covid backlog.

Look, I'm not a die hard Tory.

😂😂😂

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SueSaid · 02/02/2022 19:32

'Look, I'm not a die hard Tory.'

😂😂😂

Hey laugh all you like but I've voted for other parties in the past.

daimbarsatemydogsbone · 02/02/2022 19:37

So for all the faults regarding who did what on which date I still firmly believe BJ is the best person for the job, certainly to get us out of the covid backlog.
If getting pissed listening to crappy ABBA songs and telling lies is the solution to our National issues then yep, he’s our man. Unfortunately it isn’t.

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cakeorwine · 02/02/2022 19:40

@JaniieJones

'Look, I'm not a die hard Tory.'

😂😂😂

Hey laugh all you like but I've voted for other parties in the past.

So - can you explain what qualities you think Johnson has to make him the best leader to lead us out of this pandemic and to make the UK a better place to live?
SueSaid · 02/02/2022 19:46

'So - can you explain what qualities you think Johnson has to make him the best leader to lead us out of this pandemic and to make the UK a better place to live?'

We don't have any restrictions, we had Freedom day in July despite Starmer wailing it would be a disaster. We didn't have any restrictions over Xmas despite Scotland and Wales panicking. Plan b wasn't really restrictions was it, many people still wore masks and wfh wasn't a hardship for many. He has made many right decisions.

Our economy, jobs etc all in a good position. Of course there are massive costs to cover, people sitting at home on furlough for 18mths doesn't come cheap.

Sadly the hysterical media egged on by Cummings seem very keen to oust him and some people lap up everything Paul Brand et al tell them.

cakeorwine · 02/02/2022 19:55

@JaniieJones

'So - can you explain what qualities you think Johnson has to make him the best leader to lead us out of this pandemic and to make the UK a better place to live?'

We don't have any restrictions, we had Freedom day in July despite Starmer wailing it would be a disaster. We didn't have any restrictions over Xmas despite Scotland and Wales panicking. Plan b wasn't really restrictions was it, many people still wore masks and wfh wasn't a hardship for many. He has made many right decisions.

Our economy, jobs etc all in a good position. Of course there are massive costs to cover, people sitting at home on furlough for 18mths doesn't come cheap.

Sadly the hysterical media egged on by Cummings seem very keen to oust him and some people lap up everything Paul Brand et al tell them.

Those aren't qualities.

What qualities does he have?