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Boris Downfall Part 5

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Rinoachicken · 31/01/2022 16:34

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GreenLunchBox · 03/02/2022 23:39

£600M of government money paid to a company for PPE has simply 'gone missing'.

twitter.com/Katie_Cronin/status/1488971937871282177?t=sEhpW8doasiWCBHJmO2A_Q&s=19

In any other government this would have been seizmic news Confused

DuncinToffee · 03/02/2022 23:41

Looks like they are using this time to sneak out some proof of corruption

bylinetimes.com/2022/02/03/government-releases-private-messages-between-owen-paterson-and-matt-hancock-over-randox-contracts/

Peregrina · 03/02/2022 23:48

£600M of government money

Taxpayers money i.e. mine and yours.

I hope at some stage some heavy fines and nice long prison sentences will be handed out. But I am not holding my breath.

TheAbbotOfUnreason · 03/02/2022 23:48

@TheAbbotOfUnreason

there's been no long term structural planning since the M6 was built. Those motorway bridges of the 60s? The Genoa bridge collapse should scare you.

Why do you think that bridge inspections aren’t undertaken in the UK?

Just to add, the UK does not have any bridges with a similar design to the Morandi bridge.
DePfeffoff · 04/02/2022 00:10

@GreenLunchBox

The Daily Fail has the knives out for Rishi www.dailymail.co.uk/home/index.html

I usually refuse to click on that rag, but my Schadenfreude won't let me this time 🤣

I suspect there's an element of racism emerging. I've wondered for some time how a certain section of the Tory faithful would cope with the prospect of having an Asian leader.
DePfeffoff · 04/02/2022 00:19

Hes an incompetent, lying, self-serving moral vacuum who doesn't know the meaning of loyalty, dignity or shame

You left out greedy and corrupt

Tealightsandd · 04/02/2022 02:05

@AdamRyan

Yes exactly madlam I hated Blair at the time amd swore I'd never vote Labour because of him but in hindsight it was the best time to be British/living in the UK and I'd trade him for the entire current cabinet in a heartbeat. For example, I live near Bristol, rarely saw homeless people in the late 1990s/early 2000s, now if I visit Bristol there are lots. I was on a relatively low income with children, but it was OK because of tax credits so I felt like things were affordable. I shudder to think what my circumstances would have been if I'd been 25 today
Well you should've come to London. Plenty of homeless or badly housed there under Blair.

Sorry but refusing to accept why and how we got to where we are now means nothing will change for the better.

Those who fail to learn the lessons of history are doomed to repeat.

It is some cognitive dissonance to talk of morals, integrity - and particularly concern for the vulnerable, yet admire Blair. He certainly did a good job in his war on the disabled. It's been a mega success. That people casually ignore or dismiss it, and talk of feeling hope during the his time, is proof of his success.

He crushed the hopes of the disabled.

Tealightsandd · 04/02/2022 02:07

It's crucial to acknowledge the consequences of Blair. For some (not the disabled) there might have been a 'moment on the lips, lifetime on the hips' brief period.

The problem with politics in general certainly the last 30-40 years, on both sides of the political divide, is the plague of short-termism.

Tealightsandd · 04/02/2022 02:09

Blair's follies spawed Johnson greatest lie. The bus and the need for the bus. Without the bus, he could not have had the microwave. Johnson plaugerised Burnhams manifesto for the north because there's been no long term structural planning since the M6 was built. Those motorway bridges of the 60s? The Genoa bridge collapse should scare you

This.

Tealightsandd · 04/02/2022 02:20

@derxa

In amongst all the glee about the downfall of BJ we are a country in crises. We need to come together at this point. I don't get it
This is true - we do need to come together more.

All this division. It's the last thing the country needs.

I understand though that's not the point of this thread, I think? We all need to vent sometimes.

Honestly if I was Boris I wouldn't even want the job anymore. Too much hassle and stress.

I do worry about who comes next but all we can do is hope for the best. 🤞

madIam · 04/02/2022 06:08

@thecatfromjapan

Sorry, RedTtothBrush , normally I agree with you but ... no.

I'm done with letting this government get away with murder by blaming everything on Blair.

It's been the biggest get-out clause ever.

And the lack of investment in the regions? We could make a case for blaming it on Thatcher. Or even a failure of imagination in successive post-war governments, living on in a dream of Britain's great manufacturing past and failing to react to the post-war world.

Ultimately, what government's do is their responsibility.

The Conservatives have been in power a looong time now.

Let them own it.

This.
jgw1 · 04/02/2022 06:57

@JackieWeaverHandforthCouncil

The British public are about to find out that politicians focusing on wrapping themselves in flags, screaming about statues and changing passport colours does not equal good governance, won’t fix hospitals, schools and won’t help you pay your ever increasing heating bills.
It is important that you also highlight their triumphs for balance, like ensuring that crowns can appear on pint glasses and reducing the tax on domestic flights. These are the key concerns of the people.
JackieWeaverHandforthCouncil · 04/02/2022 07:02

‘I suspect there's an element of racism emerging. I've wondered for some time how a certain section of the Tory faithful would cope with the prospect of having an Asian leader.’

It’s already started. The comments section in the DM are a cesspit of racism regarding Mirza and Sunak. People talking about how Asians are taking over, calling this the ‘curry coup’ etc. Nasty stuff. Nevertheless Mirza claimed racism doesn’t exist in order to protect Boris, so she’ll have to suck it up.

VikingOnTheFridge · 04/02/2022 07:04

@thecatfromjapan

Oh. I can't bring myself to get grumpy with people on here. We're in for such a shitshow over the next couple of years ... it's a bit pointless being irate with other posters.

(I'm sure I'll overcome that soon ... 😁)

I'm sorry if it's not everyone's cup of tea but, yes, tonight I really do want to just take a moment to enjoy the sheer, bloody insanity of Boris' Implosion.

And to hope it's absolutely appalling and takes down as many of the other bastards responsible for this mess as possible.

Yep.
jgw1 · 04/02/2022 07:04

How long before one Big Baby's fans starts quoting how the Tories won yesterday's by-election?

LoudSnoringDog · 04/02/2022 07:06

@jgw1

How long before one Big Baby's fans starts quoting how the Tories won yesterday's by-election?
The 80 seat landslide won on bullshit
LoudSnoringDog · 04/02/2022 07:10

Mirza going is the literal Rat jumping the sinking ship. She doesn't really care about the savile comment and is just capitalising on the rage from it. Trying to make herself look in touch with the public but we see the truth

AdamRyan · 04/02/2022 07:29

It is some cognitive dissonance to talk of morals, integrity - and particularly concern for the vulnerable, yet admire Blair.
I don't admire Blair. I hated him for his lies as PM. I have never voted Labour as a result. But that was 20 years ago and his lying is completely insignificant compared to what we see now.

I agree the Blair government/"spin" set the foundations of what we see now. And there is a definite value in learning from that.

But the country is in crisis. Johnson just loves pointing to Labour (mainly corbyn but looks like starting on Blair now)

I agree with cat. This is the Conservatives responsibility. They need to sort it out. Supporting the Conservative party because "Labour would be worse" makes you complicit in whats happening at the moment.

RedToothBrush · 04/02/2022 08:04

We get the government we vote for.

Consistently over the last 30 years, since Blair, we have voted for the shiney slick election campaign and demanded low taxes and unrealistic crap.

We wanted the short termism.

The thing that broke it for me with Blair was PPI and Iraq. But perhaps not for the obvious reasons. PPI was a fools game if you have any idea of maths. In order to avoud hefty national debt, it merely shifted it and passed control to outside the nhs/government. In the long term it was always going to cost more. I had a job in which i saw all the documentation and costs for a hospital in the NW and it was insane to see. It was known it would pass it on a generation so it would look good for Blair but fuck others after him. Iraq was always going to be a disaster and i said at the time, 'so what do we do, once we've defeated Sadam?'. Its the old adage about power vaccums being very bad. And it quickly became apparent that there was no plan for exit.

With Johnson, again its this desire to have a 'celebrity' personality in power that came first. Johnson is the least experienced MP to serve as PM in years. He barely served in Cabinet. Yes he had been London mayor but Boris Bikes and zipwires aren't exactly dealing with Vladimir Putin. He didn't impress a lot of people whilst in office and he had a reputation for delegation. Which might go ok, if he had looked beyond the likes of fawning Nadine, and the dire scrappings of the barrel of Brexit supporters. If Dominic Raab is the very cream of tory party talent, then you know theres an issue. Johnson promised the earth, when there was no plan. No plan campaigns aren't a bright idea, they leave vaccums. He both created and inherited the Leave campaign's pipe dream which was based on individual voter fantasies of what Brexit could be, which had no foundation in reality. It was known it would create supply chain issues and chronic costs and barriers for decades. Johnson got lucky because covid has really concealed a lot of this. There arent constant empty shelves around the rest of Europe that we have become used to.

It was always going to unravel at some point. I think covid probably bought him time - he was a useful idiot for the hard right of the party who now have their best opportunity in years to take over.

Its the combo of kicking the can and doing something which needs a comprehensive plan, without one thats the dire repeated mistake.

What you want to hope is you either get a centrist sensible (wont happen) as next leader or a pretty much unknown northern redwaller as leader. Otherwise the hard right will be off the lead.

Alexandra2001 · 04/02/2022 08:08

@derxa

In amongst all the glee about the downfall of BJ we are a country in crises. We need to come together at this point. I don't get it
..er why is the country in crisis? & whose fault is it?

We shouldn't be, CV is in retreat, there is 10s of billions of profits to tax to ease fuel poverty, which should all be targeted, i doubt you need £150 or a £200 loan if sheep prices have boomed.

IF Bojo cared about his country and most of us do, he'd step aside, he even took a jet to Blackpool yesterday, he is the cause of this countries mess.

ClaudineClare · 04/02/2022 08:10

@jgw1

How long before one Big Baby's fans starts quoting how the Tories won yesterday's by-election?
And that the resignations of Reynolds et al is Johnson reforming No.10 as promised.
Florenz · 04/02/2022 08:11

@RedToothBrush

We get the government we vote for.

Consistently over the last 30 years, since Blair, we have voted for the shiney slick election campaign and demanded low taxes and unrealistic crap.

We wanted the short termism.

The thing that broke it for me with Blair was PPI and Iraq. But perhaps not for the obvious reasons. PPI was a fools game if you have any idea of maths. In order to avoud hefty national debt, it merely shifted it and passed control to outside the nhs/government. In the long term it was always going to cost more. I had a job in which i saw all the documentation and costs for a hospital in the NW and it was insane to see. It was known it would pass it on a generation so it would look good for Blair but fuck others after him. Iraq was always going to be a disaster and i said at the time, 'so what do we do, once we've defeated Sadam?'. Its the old adage about power vaccums being very bad. And it quickly became apparent that there was no plan for exit.

With Johnson, again its this desire to have a 'celebrity' personality in power that came first. Johnson is the least experienced MP to serve as PM in years. He barely served in Cabinet. Yes he had been London mayor but Boris Bikes and zipwires aren't exactly dealing with Vladimir Putin. He didn't impress a lot of people whilst in office and he had a reputation for delegation. Which might go ok, if he had looked beyond the likes of fawning Nadine, and the dire scrappings of the barrel of Brexit supporters. If Dominic Raab is the very cream of tory party talent, then you know theres an issue. Johnson promised the earth, when there was no plan. No plan campaigns aren't a bright idea, they leave vaccums. He both created and inherited the Leave campaign's pipe dream which was based on individual voter fantasies of what Brexit could be, which had no foundation in reality. It was known it would create supply chain issues and chronic costs and barriers for decades. Johnson got lucky because covid has really concealed a lot of this. There arent constant empty shelves around the rest of Europe that we have become used to.

It was always going to unravel at some point. I think covid probably bought him time - he was a useful idiot for the hard right of the party who now have their best opportunity in years to take over.

Its the combo of kicking the can and doing something which needs a comprehensive plan, without one thats the dire repeated mistake.

What you want to hope is you either get a centrist sensible (wont happen) as next leader or a pretty much unknown northern redwaller as leader. Otherwise the hard right will be off the lead.

PFI not PPI.
Alexandra2001 · 04/02/2022 08:12

@RedToothBrush why don't you/others start a thread on Blair and his errors?
Its as relevant as me banging on about Thatcher and coal mines/falklands/privatisations - its the past and we cannot change it.

I think Bojo has enough failings to keep this thread going for a 1000 posts.

AdamRyan · 04/02/2022 08:13

claudine
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-60254837
Interesting analysis of yesterday's departures

ClaudineClare · 04/02/2022 08:16

In amongst all the glee about the downfall of BJ we are a country in crises. We need to come together at this point. I don't get it

What don't you get? How do you suggest we "come together" to solve the energy crisis, the cost of living crisis? That is what governments are supposed to be for- to prevent these crises happening in the first place, and to deal with them if they do happen.

I suppose we could take to the streets, but I am not sure if that is now against the law due to Patel's bill...