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Alexandra2001 · 03/02/2022 21:41

@Scianel

Alexandra2001 I don't disagree but I was a UK voter not a US one so that was the politician who was using my tax money for his misadventure, rather than Bush.

Sure but the devastation/deaths would have occurred anyway.

Tory austerity has according to many experts caused around 120k deaths, Johnson was a part of that, he is also responsible for Brexit, extremely damaging for the UK, as we can with BJ in power.... Blair was a liar but BJ has taken that to a whole new level.

So yes for all his faults Blair would have handled CV and now Putin far far better.

Blossomtoes · 03/02/2022 21:43

@Scianel

Anyway apologies for derail but seriously, I know Johnson is a shit but the Blair love-in is grotesque.

It’s hardly a love in! I seem to be a lone voice.

Tealightsandd · 03/02/2022 21:45

the majority of the British population was behind him at the time.

Well there's the little matter of the fact that he lied to everybody.

He presided over a decade of stability and prosperity with investment in the services that really matter to people.

Tell that to society's most vulnerable. Those too ill or disabled to work. Blair's war on the disabled was disgusting. Morally bankrupt.

As for prosperity. Not really. Not for many. Blair was all smoke and mirrors. Everything on hock.

I've just been writing on another thread about his major role in creating the public housing and homelessness emergency.

He enriched himself and his family off of it. Made millions on property - that he legally avoids a lot of tax on (Pandora papers).

His freedom of movement policy would have been fine... If he had spent on the infrastructure and housing necessary to accommodate an expanded population. He could have done that, but he chose to instead support exploitative employers and slum landlords.

As for his warmongering abroad. Scianel has it completely right. The world is still greatly affected by the long-term consequences.

His long-term legacy at home is equally as toxic. He set us on the path that got us to to the current political and societally mess.

pussycatunpickingcrossesagain · 03/02/2022 21:45

Nobody has quit for over an hour...am I the only one a little disappointed? 🤔

RedToothBrush · 03/02/2022 21:46

Harry Lambert @harylambert
Only three aides in No 10 are paid £140k+. Two just quit (Mirza, Doyle) and the third (Rosenfield) is set to be fired or moved any minute.

With Lister, Frost, Cummings, Cain, da Costa, and Stratton all already gone, there are in effect no senior figures left in Downing Street.

David Herdson @davidherdson
This is a good point.

It's all very well these senior Johnson allies and aides leaving Downing St (and in some cases, it is well that they have), but who is filling the considerable gap left behind?

Every chance that Johnson becomes even more directionless and random.

David Henig @davidhenig
Small clue for the sycophants. A leader on the rise tells people they're out when he already has their replacements ready to announce. A falling leader loses folk to resignation and pretends it was their plan all along.

In the flat above No11, Boris is sitting with Carrie and Dilyn the Dog ruffling his hair.

"Well it could be worse Boris..."

"What the hell do we do now?"

They both cast a sideways look at Dilyn.

"Right cute dog with kids photos, it is then".

The idea of these two being alone and in charge of the country with no advisers is actually more scary than just thinking about Boris Johnson being PM previously.

For anyone paying attention, the moment Johnson knew it was all over, was when he decided cut his hair. Now its just a case of seeing how quickly its going to unravel.

Now would be a good time to put your money on who will be the next PM.

Alexandra2001 · 03/02/2022 21:46

Tonight is the first time i ve thought BJ may well be gone before the next GE..

Slight worry that the replacement will be worse.

Tealightsandd · 03/02/2022 21:47

I very much doubt that Blair would've handled Russia/Ukraine better.

The man seemed to love a good war!

Honestly. If Starmer has any hope, he needs to distance himself from Blair.

Blossomtoes · 03/02/2022 21:47

@Alexandra2001

Tonight is the first time i ve thought BJ may well be gone before the next GE..

Slight worry that the replacement will be worse.

Impossible.

jgw1 · 03/02/2022 21:48

@pussycatunpickingcrossesagain

Nobody has quit for over an hour...am I the only one a little disappointed? 🤔

Is it safe to go to bed yet, are they too busy celebrating that people have left to have another resignation.

Peregrina · 03/02/2022 21:48

Could they have turned in for an early night? Or more likely, gone off partying?

Tealightsandd · 03/02/2022 21:49

Now would be a good time to put your money on who will be the next PM.

The Telegraph owners.

jgw1 · 03/02/2022 21:52

@Tealightsandd

I very much doubt that Blair would've handled Russia/Ukraine better.

The man seemed to love a good war!

Honestly. If Starmer has any hope, he needs to distance himself from Blair.

You may be forgetting that Blair dealt with Russia invading Pristina airport and directly confronting NATO troops.

Alexandra2001 · 03/02/2022 21:57

@Blossomtoes

Yes i thought that about T.May, big drinks around here when she went... oh how i got that wrong :(

Lottapianos · 03/02/2022 22:00

'Slight worry that the replacement will be worse.'

Oh whoever it is will be an absolute catastrophe, no question, but how in the name of sanity could anyone be worse than HIM? Hes an incompetent, lying, self-serving moral vacuum who doesn't know the meaning of loyalty, dignity or shame

CSWife · 03/02/2022 22:00

I have no wish to defend twelve homes, but to try and explain, IIRC, 'Dishy Rishi' was seen as attractive on two counts. Firstly aesthetics. Secondly for getting stuff done. At the time, things were very much is it/isn't it a pandemic. The PM wasn't even attending COBRA. Etc. but the furlough scheme with which the chancellor is rightly or wrongly credited was quick, decisive and much needed.

But it was two years ago and my memory may be way out.

jgw1 · 03/02/2022 22:03

@Lottapianos

'Slight worry that the replacement will be worse.'

Oh whoever it is will be an absolute catastrophe, no question, but how in the name of sanity could anyone be worse than HIM? Hes an incompetent, lying, self-serving moral vacuum who doesn't know the meaning of loyalty, dignity or shame

I'm a bit worried that you seen to have written exactly what I am thinking. Are you me?

Blossomtoes · 03/02/2022 22:03

You’re absolutely right @CSWife. He looked like a grown up. And he was the only one in the room. My Tory voting friend thinks he’s wonderful.

Alexandra2001 · 03/02/2022 22:03

I very much doubt that Blair would've handled Russia/Ukraine better

The man seemed to love a good war!

So much so he carried on the work of Major and got the GFA signed... which BJ seems intent on ripping up.

Its v easy to say we shouldn't have gone into Iraq but imagine if we hadn't and Iraq still had WMD and then used them (as he had before) i expect you'd be the first to criticise him....

It shouldn't also be forgotten how many Iraqis Saddam murdered, the genocide of the Marsh Arabs was sickening.

RedToothBrush · 03/02/2022 22:08

Blair gave us the gift of PPI.

itsgettingweird · 03/02/2022 22:08

@Lottapianos

'Slight worry that the replacement will be worse.'

Oh whoever it is will be an absolute catastrophe, no question, but how in the name of sanity could anyone be worse than HIM? Hes an incompetent, lying, self-serving moral vacuum who doesn't know the meaning of loyalty, dignity or shame

Blunt - but accurate!

Tealightsandd · 03/02/2022 22:09

So much so he carried on the work of Major and got the GFA signed

Yes he took the credit for all the hard work done by Major and then Mo Mowlam.

shouldn't also be forgotten how many Iraqis Saddam murdered, the genocide of the Marsh Arabs was sickening.

You're right about that. But the war on Iraq wasn't the answer. It only made things worse and multiplied Iraqi deaths many times over (mustn't also forget British troops who lost their lives due to Blair's lies).

pussycatunpickingcrossesagain · 03/02/2022 22:10

@RedToothBrush

Blair gave us the gift of PPI.

The gift that keeps on taking...

Tealightsandd · 03/02/2022 22:10

@RedToothBrush

Blair gave us the gift of PPI.

Yes. A debt the NHS is still saddled with.

RedToothBrush · 03/02/2022 22:12

@Lottapianos

'Slight worry that the replacement will be worse.'

Oh whoever it is will be an absolute catastrophe, no question, but how in the name of sanity could anyone be worse than HIM? Hes an incompetent, lying, self-serving moral vacuum who doesn't know the meaning of loyalty, dignity or shame

Alexa, who is 'Steve Baker'?

DuncinToffee · 03/02/2022 22:12

Furlough and eat out to help out, was Sunak's call to glory. This is now billions lost to fraud and the looming energy crisis.