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to think the common idea that Diana was murdered is absurd

438 replies

makkapacca · 29/01/2022 17:01

Heard a journalist on the radio the other day speculating it was not an accident and heard others saying the same. AIBU to think people like this are complete idiots?

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RavenclawDiadem · 29/01/2022 19:21

@Hellocatshome

I dont think it is a commonly held belief.
Current polling, it's about 50/50
Toasterandjam · 29/01/2022 19:34

I don't think you'd be thick for having an opinion that it was murder. Thats very patronising. I know someone who worked closely with the royal family and said they wouldn't be surprised. Don't forget that any future children, half Egyptian or not, would be half brother to the potential future king. Then it wouldn't have been accepted like it would be today.

InsanityRocks · 29/01/2022 19:36

I believe it was an accident.

Diana chose not to have Royal Protection but we now know that choice was made from false information given from Martin Bashir who led her to believe that she was being spied upon.

bubbleblower85 · 29/01/2022 19:46

I think the people who overlook the strange things around her death are ridiculous. Why were all the cameras in the tunnel turned off? Why wasn't she taken to the hospital which was very nearby immediatly? Why did they embalm her against the law? Why was the white fiat punto found burnt out and the driver killed? Why the nonsend about Henri Paul being drunk, his level of blood alcohol would have left him paraplegic but he was fine on all the CCTV camera's and his family have said he wasn't a drinker.
Why wasn't Charles asked about why his wife said she fears she would be killed in a staged car crash by him, at the inquest? If this was a ordinary Mr Smith/Jones they would have questioned him in an inquest.
There are other things that raises eyebrows.

I guess we will never know exaxctly what happened but I think the car accident was just setting the stage for something neferious afterwards (i.e in thhe ambulance/hospital) and then it gives them plausible deniability i.e she died because of a car crash.

Suzi888 · 29/01/2022 19:48

It’s pretty much a 50-50 split on voting.

Her death was convenient, the RF would have hated her marrying an Arab, let alone having a child with him.

sweetbellyhigh · 29/01/2022 19:55

@Hoppinggreen

Very unlikely Also, I don’t think it was necessary. People were staring to lose interest/fall out of love with her and she did far more damage to The Monarchy by dying than she did when alive
I disagree. She was at the height of her popularity. The coverage was insane, she was on the front pages every day. In hindsight a crashing fall was inevitable. The level of intrusion could not have ended well.
StarbucksSmarterSister · 29/01/2022 19:57

The suggestion is, this could be secret services due to Diana having a child with Dodi, right?

There are some people who do think that, except she'd only been going out with him for about 6 weeks so even if pregnant might not have known it herself.

SantaHat · 29/01/2022 19:57

Don't forget that any future children, half Egyptian or not, would be half brother to the potential future king. Then it wouldn't have been accepted like it would be today

This is one the things I really don’t get about the ridiculousness of the Diana conspiracies.
Why on earth would that matter to anyone? By the time she died, she’d had numerous non-royal relationships including dating Hasnat Khan (who is Pakistani btw) for TWO years. Many of these were also before she was actually divorced.
Why would anyone therefore give a shit about a month long fling with Dodi?!

ClariceQuiff · 29/01/2022 20:06

@SantaHat

Don't forget that any future children, half Egyptian or not, would be half brother to the potential future king. Then it wouldn't have been accepted like it would be today

This is one the things I really don’t get about the ridiculousness of the Diana conspiracies.
Why on earth would that matter to anyone? By the time she died, she’d had numerous non-royal relationships including dating Hasnat Khan (who is Pakistani btw) for TWO years. Many of these were also before she was actually divorced.
Why would anyone therefore give a shit about a month long fling with Dodi?!

Yes - Hasnat Khan testified that Diana had explored the possibility of marrying him, and Charles had given his blessing to the idea. Diana was in a relationship with Khan for two years - no one tried to bump him off.
Iwantmyoldnameback · 29/01/2022 20:07

I'm not sure either way. I have read Diana was obsessive about wearing a seat belt so find it hard to believe she would not have put one on in this situation. There was allegedly evidence the seatbelts did not work in the rear seats.

StarbucksSmarterSister · 29/01/2022 20:08

Why was the white fiat punto found burnt out and the driver killed

It was an Uno, was resprayed by the owner , who was alive in 2012.

www.standard.co.uk/hp/front/found-the-mystery-white-fiat-uno-driver-in-diana-death-crash-7271422.html

When did he die?

Strictly1 · 29/01/2022 20:18

@Hoppinggreen

Very unlikely Also, I don’t think it was necessary. People were staring to lose interest/fall out of love with her and she did far more damage to The Monarchy by dying than she did when alive
I don't think the monarchy need any help in damaging their image - they're quite capable of that.
CrabbyAggie · 29/01/2022 20:20

A ‘murder”that relies entirely on the victim not putting their seatbelt on is a flimsy plan at best.

Was it known by the security services that she normally never put on a seatbelt?

Had the driver been seen drinking alcohol before the crash? Was the car checked for faulty brakes etc. I can’t remember if that was reported.

I don’t actually believe it was murder in this instance but there are ways to make car crashes happen and look like an accident and highly security operatives definitely could. She was too young for an ‘unexplained’ heart attack to be believed and it wouldn’t be feasible for her to attacked. If someone wanted rid of her, I can’t think of any other way to do it. Plane crash?

makkapacca · 29/01/2022 20:27

The suggestion is, this could be secret services due to Diana having a child with Dodi, right

other 1 was that it was the landsmines people as she was getting too much publicity for it

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gunnersgold · 29/01/2022 20:32

I think it's more to do with the fact the fireman who did cpr on her said she was alive and talking when he left her and was very shocked when he heard she died. I don't think it was an assassination because had she had her belt on she might be ok today !

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 29/01/2022 20:43

@bubbleblower85

I think the people who overlook the strange things around her death are ridiculous. Why were all the cameras in the tunnel turned off? Why wasn't she taken to the hospital which was very nearby immediatly? Why did they embalm her against the law? Why was the white fiat punto found burnt out and the driver killed? Why the nonsend about Henri Paul being drunk, his level of blood alcohol would have left him paraplegic but he was fine on all the CCTV camera's and his family have said he wasn't a drinker. Why wasn't Charles asked about why his wife said she fears she would be killed in a staged car crash by him, at the inquest? If this was a ordinary Mr Smith/Jones they would have questioned him in an inquest. There are other things that raises eyebrows.

I guess we will never know exaxctly what happened but I think the car accident was just setting the stage for something neferious afterwards (i.e in thhe ambulance/hospital) and then it gives them plausible deniability i.e she died because of a car crash.

All these "oh how unlikely" notions miss out a few simple facts.

It is not possible from a distance to cause someone to drive a car into a pillar far too fast for the road and kill three people including himself. And it is not possible to cause three people not to put on their seatbelts unless you are in the car with them.

So unless the driver was a criminal mastermind who wanted DiPoW dead, the "it was all a Master Plot" conspiracy theory falls flat on its face. And funnily enough, that Henri Paul was a suicidal master villain who by pure coincidence was also taking anti-depressants and had drunk enough that evening for it to be illegal for him to drive never seems to get suggested.

One thing does need to be answered. "Why were all the cameras in the tunnel turned off?" They were not. At that time there were no CCTV cameras sited in that tunnel. The ten CCTV cameras in the immediate area all were turned on, and none showed any image of the car that night for the simple reason that they were privately-owned security cameras and directed towards the building for which they were security, not the road. The traffic-monitoring camera at the entrance to the underpass was not in use after 11pm because it the traffic department which used it was not on duty at that hour, and it did not make recording because it was not designed to do so.

Oh, and one putative driver of a white Fiat Uno which he no longer owned at the time of the accident did indeed die by suicide th following year -- in a burnt out BMW, not a white Fiat Uno. The other putative driver did indeed own a car of that description, and did get his brother-in-law to help him spray-paint it red on the day after the crash; but he seems still to be alive, and also to have been at work at the time the accident happened.

She was not taken to the nearest hospital immediately because she was still in the car for some time, since moving her with anything less that extreme caution might have killed her on the spot; it was more than an hour before the ambulance carrying her left the scene of the accident. And she was not admitted to the nearest hospital because that one was not equipped to treat what were by then known to be her injuries, so she was redirected to a specialist trauma hospital.

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 29/01/2022 20:46

@Suzi888

It’s pretty much a 50-50 split on voting.

Her death was convenient, the RF would have hated her marrying an Arab, let alone having a child with him.

Hang on: she went out for two years with Hasnat Khan and the Windsors seem to have been all for that relationship: Prince Charles gave it his blessing quite openly. Why would they have approved of her being with a Pakistani Muslim long-term, but been driven into a panic by her 47-day relationship with an Arab?
SilverDoe · 29/01/2022 20:54

@makkapacca

because everybody i know thinks it was a murder.
I haven't RTFT so forgive me if itw been addressed or if I'm just wrong but I wonder if you are misunderstanding people. A lot of people me included believe that the behaviour of the media contributed to her death quite substantially. While it wasn't literally murder, I do understand (because I think it's demonstrable) that there was significant media manipulation in her life which set in motion the events that lead to her death. I don't even mean specifically the actual car crash that killed her. It just seems to me like something like that was bound to happen at some point due to the way she was treated.
Puzzledandpissedoff · 29/01/2022 21:09

Why did they embalm her against the law?

That's the one which has always stayed with me
When you have a case as massive as that, everyone knows that you play it straight down the line, but they broke the law "because it was hot"? In a major hospital in a major western city with ample cooling facilities? Even if disinclined to place her in the mortuary "because security", they could have used ice packs in her private room, but no - they steamed in and embalmed her

None of that makes it murder of course, but I've still never seen a sensible explanation

Knockoneofftheshelftowin · 29/01/2022 21:13

I also know lots of people who think she was murdered.

I know, crackers.

AlDanvers · 29/01/2022 21:14

@gunnersgold

I think it's more to do with the fact the fireman who did cpr on her said she was alive and talking when he left her and was very shocked when he heard she died. I don't think it was an assassination because had she had her belt on she might be ok today !
My dad called an ambulance for mum because her breathing was bad. Paramedics came, gave her oxygen. She was talking to them and her oxygen levels were coming back up.

She then had heart attack and never regained consciousness. I am really surprised a fire fighter has never come across someone who seemed ok, then just died. Especially after a massive physical trauma.

StartupRepair · 29/01/2022 21:30

Too many variables for it to be anything other than a terrible accident, brought about by a combination of the paparazzi (and public) intense interest, the slapdash arrangements of the Al Fayeds and perhaps the gung ho attitude of Dodi to outrun the photographers.

SantaHat · 29/01/2022 21:30

To me, the saddest thing is that nearly every one of these conspiracy theories comes back to Al Fayed running his mouth off with no evidence or basis in reality. Arguably, if you truly want to lay the blame for the deaths of Diana and Dodi on someone (other than the pressures in general from
The parasite), it should probably lie with Mohammed Al-Fayed. I try to think kindly that is rantings come from purely a place of utter grief and internal guilty. In my not so kind moments they seem purely about deflection from his own actions.

LovedayCL · 29/01/2022 21:36

Her death was convenient, the RF would have hated her marrying an Arab, let alone having a child with him.

I often think this says more about the people suggesting it, than those it’s directed at.

SantaHat · 29/01/2022 21:40

^ lol I am quite amused that I managed an auto correct mistake in my previous post.
It should be paparazzi. Not parasite! 🤣🤣