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to think the common idea that Diana was murdered is absurd

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makkapacca · 29/01/2022 17:01

Heard a journalist on the radio the other day speculating it was not an accident and heard others saying the same. AIBU to think people like this are complete idiots?

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SantaHat · 29/01/2022 18:41

I might say that as the removal of her HRH status led to the withdrawal of her police protection

It didn’t though. SHE chose to give up her security.

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 29/01/2022 18:41

Private Eye very unkindly got hold of the Sunday papers which had already been delivered in the West Country by the time of her death, and printed extracts from columns by the writers who were being most sob-stuff about her death in those same publications. Yes, the media sainted her once she was dead, but the comments on her (even about her sons being embarrassed by her carryings-on and not liking Dodi) when they didn't know she was dead were damning. They were all ready to do a total hatchet job on her, and then the wretched woman got herself killed and they had to call those papers in and print a complete new run full of overblown tragic-face.

My favourite comment at the time was from the representative of Mercedes, who said rather sadly that they build very good cars, but even their cars are not proof against being driven into a concrete pillar at over eighty mile an hour.

1987qwerty · 29/01/2022 18:44

Load of crap. A million better ways they'd have done it.

makkapacca · 29/01/2022 18:45

It didn’t though. SHE chose to give up her security

well regardless my point still stands, her ex bodyguard said the same.

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Wizzbangfizz · 29/01/2022 18:47

I think that to claim the world was losing interest in her is wholly incorrect - it anything to frenzy was growing - particularly if as heavily speculated she was going to announce an engagement and pregnancy.

maggiecate · 29/01/2022 18:49

If you’re going to assassinate someone you need to know where they’re going to be and when. The trip that evening was a spontaneous one that Dodi suggested and organised at the last minute. The driver was drinking because he thought he was done for the night. It would have been impossible to plan for the accident to happen because the whole event was unplanned. There were other routes that could have been taken, they couldn’t have anticipated that the driver would be speeding, that the passengers wouldn’t be wearing seatbelts. The odds of pulling it off and getting away are astronomical - far too high for any professional setup like the security services to attempt.

And the idea that the royal family would have put the boys through that trauma - after having themselves endured the grief of the Mountbatten assassination - is frankly ridiculous.

makkapacca · 29/01/2022 18:50

Interestin g article below where her ex bodyguard blamed the security team:

It's been nearly 20 years since Princess Diana was killed in a car accident in Paris, a death that shook the world. And ever since that fateful night, conspiracy theories have swirled around what really happened. One man who was close to Diana for years is now blaming her security team for not intervening.

Ken Wharfe, who served as Diana's royal protection officer for six years, resigned from the position in 1993. He now says if he and his team were working with the Princess in 1997, they may have been able to prevent her death. "On behalf of all the professional men and women of the Met's protection squad, let me say that neither [bodyguard Trevor] Rees-Jones nor any of the other bodyguards who attended Diana in the two months preceding her death were from our department," he writes in an excerpt of his updated memoirs, published by the Daily Mail. "I am still angry beyond words that this team of 'bodyguards' let her come to harm."

Rees-Jones was the sole survivor of the crash that killed Diana, Dodi Fayed, and driver Henri Paul. He had been appointed by the Fayed family to protect Diana during their trip to Paris, but Wharfe alleges he was never briefed by police and had a misunderstanding of the paparazzi as an "enemy" he could beat. Plus, because he was hired by the Fayeds, he was prevented from speaking against their wishes. (Diana had declined the Queen's offer to have round-the-clock police protection, which Wharfe says led to the security issues in the first place.)

Wharfe alleges that Rees-Jones should have intervened when Fayed made risky decisions, like ordering Paul to drive although he had allegedly been drinking, and letting Fayed tell Paul to drive too fast to outpace photographers. He also says the security team should have called local Paris police for backup, and Rees-Jones should have insisted everyone in the car wear his or her seatbelt.

"I can say with certainty, drawing on decades of police experience, that Diana's death was not murder but a dreadful accident that should have been avoided," Wharfe wrote. "She was not the victim of shadowy figures who regarded her as an embarrassment to the Establishment, but of her boyfriend's erratic behavior and her bodyguard's mistakes''
Rees-Jones, for his part, has said under oath that he has no concrete memories of the car crash that killed Diana, because he suffered a head injury in the collision. He told a jury during an investigation that he had been unhappy with Fayed's plans that night, but "went along with it." He has also written a memoir about his time working with Diana after Dodi's father, Mohamed, blamed him for the crash, but has not responded to Wharfe's new claims.

According to Sky News, Wharfe's book also reveals the one rumor that truly hurt Princess Diana: that Prince Harry's biological father was not Prince Charles. Wharfe says that Diana did have an affair with James Hewitt, the man some rumors claim is Harry's dad, but they were only an item after Harry was born. "A simple comparison of dates proves it is impossible for Hewitt to be Harry's father. Only once did I ever discuss it with her, and Diana was in tears about it."

Rees-Jones was the sole survivor of the crash that killed Diana, Dodi Fayed, and driver Henri Paul. He had been appointed by the Fayed family to protect Diana during their trip to Paris, but Wharfe alleges he was never briefed by police and had a misunderstanding of the paparazzi as an "enemy" he could beat. Plus, because he was hired by the Fayeds, he was prevented from speaking against their wishes. (Diana had declined the Queen's offer to have round-the-clock police protection, which Wharfe says led to the security issues in the first place.)

Wharfe alleges that Rees-Jones should have intervened when Fayed made risky decisions, like ordering Paul to drive although he had allegedly been drinking, and letting Fayed tell Paul to drive too fast to outpace photographers. He also says the security team should have called local Paris police for backup, and Rees-Jones should have insisted everyone in the car wear his or her seatbelt.

"I can say with certainty, drawing on decades of police experience, that Diana's death was not murder but a dreadful accident that should have been avoided," Wharfe wrote. "She was not the victim of shadowy figures who regarded her as an embarrassment to the Establishment, but of her boyfriend's erratic behavior and her bodyguard's mistakes."

Princess Diana and Prince Harry in 1995.
Princess Diana and Prince Harry in 1995.
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Rees-Jones, for his part, has said under oath that he has no concrete memories of the car crash that killed Diana, because he suffered a head injury in the collision. He told a jury during an investigation that he had been unhappy with Fayed's plans that night, but "went along with it." He has also written a memoir about his time working with Diana after Dodi's father, Mohamed, blamed him for the crash, but has not responded to Wharfe's new claims.

According to Sky News, Wharfe's book also reveals the one rumor that truly hurt Princess Diana: that Prince Harry's biological father was not Prince Charles. Wharfe says that Diana did have an affair with James Hewitt, the man some rumors claim is Harry's dad, but they were only an item after Harry was born. "A simple comparison of dates proves it is impossible for Hewitt to be Harry's father. Only once did I ever discuss it with her, and Diana was in tears about it."

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makkapacca · 29/01/2022 18:52

I think that to claim the world was losing interest in her is wholly incorrect - it anything to frenzy was growing - particularly if as heavily speculated she was going to announce an engagement and pregnancy

not losing interest is what people are saying, it's that she was starting to fall out of public/media favour.

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peboh · 29/01/2022 18:52

Technically she was murdered. Wether or not you want to believe it was premeditated and planned. She was in a car accident due to paparazzi not leaving her be. Cars chasing her, and not giving them space. That is manslaughter, which is murder.

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 29/01/2022 18:55

@peboh

Technically she was murdered. Wether or not you want to believe it was premeditated and planned. She was in a car accident due to paparazzi not leaving her be. Cars chasing her, and not giving them space. That is manslaughter, which is murder.
If it was neither premeditated nor planned, then it was not murder.

Manslaughter is not murder. They are two different crimes.

SantaHat · 29/01/2022 18:55

That is manslaughter, which is murder

No. It. Isn’t.

LovedayCL · 29/01/2022 18:57

Yes, YANBU - they’re a combination of completely thick and / or enjoying a vicarious thrill out of someone else’s tragedy.

Hoppinggreen · 29/01/2022 18:57

@Wizzbangfizz

I think that to claim the world was losing interest in her is wholly incorrect - it anything to frenzy was growing - particularly if as heavily speculated she was going to announce an engagement and pregnancy.
Maybe the world wasn’t losing interest then but I do think they were falling out of love with her a bit
SickAndTiredAgain · 29/01/2022 18:58

That is manslaughter, which is murder.

Manslaughter is quite specifically not murder.

Suzanne999 · 29/01/2022 18:59

Or did Diana know things about the royals that they didn’t want broadcast? Maybe there’s more than Andrew. Just saying.

CounsellorTroi · 29/01/2022 19:00

If they really wanted to murder Diana they’d have been better tampering with a car they knew she would be driving, even then there’d be no guarantee she would be killed.

Butteredtoast55 · 29/01/2022 19:00

Whilst definitely not a majority view, I'd agree that it's pretty common. If the subject comes up in a group conversation I would say there's almost always someone who voices it and thinks the royal family arranged it. I'm amazed at the people who express this view at times as they're usually very rational and sensible, even allowing for those playing devil's advocate.

Itsnotover · 29/01/2022 19:01

If she was murdered, it wasn't a very efficient way to do it, was it? That alone makes me think it probably was an accident. She had relinquished her police protection so was more at risk imo.

AlDanvers · 29/01/2022 19:02

@peboh

Technically she was murdered. Wether or not you want to believe it was premeditated and planned. She was in a car accident due to paparazzi not leaving her be. Cars chasing her, and not giving them space. That is manslaughter, which is murder.
Manslaughter is not murder. Thats why its 2 different things. And you left out that the driver had been drinking AND she didn't wear a seat belt.
makkapacca · 29/01/2022 19:07

i recall watching the surviving bodyguard on American tv giving his interview, his face was disfigured and the host started making jokes about it. Risqué I thought considering 3 people were killed in the same accident. He was a handsome guy.

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Chasingaftermidnight · 29/01/2022 19:12

no that's tabloid shite along with the m15 ''witnesses'' that has no substance.

I’ve googled it and it’s a bit more than ‘tabloid shite’, although questions were raised over the authenticity of the letter. It was considered at the inquest.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/princess-diana-death-letter-prince-charles-accident-plan-car-paris-tunnel-crash-10-months-a7918671.html

Puzzledandpissedoff · 29/01/2022 19:13

Just coming on to recommend Unnatural Causes by Richard Stephens - not some conspiracist but a forensic pathologist - which lays out inconsistencies around the death such as the unauthorised embalming, issues with the blood tests and more

In fairness he also comes down on the side of it being an accident like most of the rest of us, but that doesn't alter the fact that some aspects stank to high heaven

Puzzledandpissedoff · 29/01/2022 19:15

Blast, that should have read Richard Shepherd, not Richard Stevens ... for some unknown reason I always do that with the guy's name!!

SerialNo · 29/01/2022 19:18

Despite the comments....voting seems to be split roughly 50/50.

Accident for me too, FWIW.

RavenclawDiadem · 29/01/2022 19:20

She got in a car with someone who had been drinking, didn't put a seatbelt on, and hurtled through Paris at top speed.

Occam's Razor - the simplest explanation is often the best. She was killed in a crash caused by a drunk driver.