to think the common idea that Diana was murdered is absurd

[makkapacca]

Heard a journalist on the radio the other day speculating it was not an accident and heard others saying the same. AIBU to think people like this are complete idiots?

@StarbucksSmarterSister

The suggestion is, this could be secret services due to Diana having a child with Dodi, right?

There are some people who do think that, except she'd only been going out with him for about 6 weeks so even if pregnant might not have known it herself.

Years ago at the beginning of Mumsnet when there were only a small number of people here, one Mner claimed to know a woman that was friends with Diana and had been with her on that holiday with Dodi. This woman had apparently been aware that Diana had her period at this time, making pregnancy unlikely. That always stuck in my mind.

Also, some people have come out and said that she was never that much in love with Dodi and that he was only a fling to her.

We were on holiday about 5 years ago, a forensic scientist gave a talk about this subject. Absolutely fascinating but there were certainly parts of what happened that didn't make sense. Lots of detail (one of the many snippets were a video of the driver tieing his shoelace before he drove off. The speaker made us get up and stoop down to tie our laces, not easy when sober, apparently the driver was alleged to be drunk, but video showed him tieing his laces perfectly. Obviously there were lots of other snippets too.

It’s convenient that people now twist it into a love story that they’ve fabricated the ending of (or Dodi’s father did).

It makes me think that Virginia Giuffre should watch out for Space Debris re-entering the atmosphere and hitting her on the head. Maybe an unknown volcano could erupt underneath the court in New York. She had also better watch out for the MI6 trained Tiger ready to escape from the NY Zoo, and whatever she does don't let her click a ballpoint pen three times in a row.

I saw a YouTube video recently where the commentary was talking about Prince Andrew and all his vile and ridiculous behaviour and obvious lies. The commentator made reference to the conspiracy theory about the royal family being reptilian humanoids aliens with a huge amount of power. The commentator pointed out that if Andrew was one of those, he’d never have made this many mistakes.

I al not an Al Fayed fan by any means, but I think he said what he's said in grief, and that his son's death was almost overlooked in all this. I have a certain sympathy with him wanting to find a reason that wasn't to do with his family, even if I don't believe it.

@AlDanvers

I think Diana dying actually made things harder for Charles and Camellia. And the RF. She has practically become sainted.

Indeed.

I never understood why Joe Public wanted Diana and Charles to stay married. They were so unsuited and unhappy together, it was ridiculous. I couldn't stand Diana personally. She openly shagged married men and broke up their marriages and not a word was said. And Dodi Fayed as a serious boyfriend was scraping the barrel in poor taste.

She was on the front of the sunday red tops every week!

They were noticeably turning against her, though. The headlines and copy were beginning to have that sneery tone that they now use for Meghan Markle, and the right wing press particularly didn't like her attraction to Asian men. Just before her death they were sneering at the number of freebie holidays she was cadging.

If the Royal Family was into killing off people likely to cause scandal, Virginia Giuffre would have died long ago.

@Strictlyfanoftenyears

We were on holiday about 5 years ago, a forensic scientist gave a talk about this subject. Absolutely fascinating but there were certainly parts of what happened that didn't make sense. Lots of detail (one of the many snippets were a video of the driver tieing his shoelace before he drove off. The speaker made us get up and stoop down to tie our laces, not easy when sober, apparently the driver was alleged to be drunk, but video showed him tieing his laces perfectly. Obviously there were lots of other snippets too.

He also drove at nearly 80mph in a 30mph inner city area ( confirmed by the speed cameras ) straight into a known accident black spot and if she had been wearing her seat belt she would have almost certainly have survived.

They tried to recreate the crash ( don't forget the white FIAT ) but none of the stuntmen would continue with it after just one attempt - too dangerous. In the end they set out traffic cones and none of them could control such a heavy car and avoid hitting the cones. Simulations with McDonnell-Douglas software also proved the accident unavoidable.

All he had to do was slow down. She was the most photographed woman on the planet, what was a few more pics ?.

She was offered professional security staff from the Embassy. Even Chirac offered his personal presidential protection people but she was intent on playing games with the paparazzi. Thinking wasn't one of her strengths.

I don't think it was a murder. Just a lesson to wear your seatbelt and never get in the car of a drunk or drugged up driver.

Ridiculous idea. I don't know who in 'the RF' is supposed to have ordered this and why. The criminal mastermind that is Prince Andrew? Prince Philip who lost so many of his own family would do this to his grandchildren? They are a family that enthusiastically holds grudges for decades but quite obviously don't bump the people they have grudges against off - cf Edward VIII. Tbh the only role they had in her eventually death was promoting the marriage with Charles which was a terrible idea from the start, just to stop him having much too good a time shagging other man's wives across the globe.

The speaker made us get up and stoop down to tie our laces, not easy when sober, apparently the driver was alleged to be drunk, but video showed him tieing his laces perfectl

Habitual drinkers get very good at focussing on small tasks like that. Keeping a speeding car under control, not so much.

I've always thought it would be a spectacularly stupid way to try and kill someone, using a really visually obvious method, making a huge spectacle that is highly likely not to succeed and relies on so many other factors, in a foreign country? Nah. Didn't happen. Doesn't stop half of the people (women) in my family believing it though.

P.s. I'm well over the limit at home and I've just stooped to my feet with absolutely no problem whatsoever.

We were on holiday about 5 years ago, a forensic scientist gave a talk about this subject

Sorry, but I’ve got to come back to this. You were on holiday? And attended a talk about how Diana was murdered by a “forensic scientist”? For entertainment on holiday?! That is quite something!

Of course it's absurd. I'm not sure it's common though.

According to my brother its "blatantly obvious she was murdered. It was obvious at the time and it's obvious now".

Hes a bit thick tbh. And he was only 10 when she died so not sure he can comment on something he wouldn't have understood.

.this woman had apparently been aware that Diana had her period at this time, making pregnancy unlikely

Rosa Monckton, who was with Diana on holiday 2 weeks before her death.

@bubbleblower85

I think the people who overlook the strange things around her death are ridiculous. Why were all the cameras in the tunnel turned off? Why wasn't she taken to the hospital which was very nearby immediatly? Why did they embalm her against the law? Why was the white fiat punto found burnt out and the driver killed? Why the nonsend about Henri Paul being drunk, his level of blood alcohol would have left him paraplegic but he was fine on all the CCTV camera's and his family have said he wasn't a drinker. Why wasn't Charles asked about why his wife said she fears she would be killed in a staged car crash by him, at the inquest? If this was a ordinary Mr Smith/Jones they would have questioned him in an inquest. There are other things that raises eyebrows.

I guess we will never know exaxctly what happened but I think the car accident was just setting the stage for something neferious afterwards (i.e in thhe ambulance/hospital) and then it gives them plausible deniability i.e she died because of a car crash.

French procedure is to stabilise patients at the scene, not as hospital. Evidence from first responders is that Diana was walking and talking, she died of an undetectable haemorrhage later.

Re. Cameras you had a good response before but also - cameras are off all the time. Almost as if noone knows someone famous is going to die in their view at that time. If the royal family wanted to show a crash, wouldn't video evidence nail it and turning off cameras look suspicious? And what incentive do Parisian authorities have to go along with all this? What reach does the Royal family have to get France to agree to stage a horrendous accident/murder of a former royal on their soil? And if France weren't complicit, why wouldn't they investigate and reveal what is apparently so obvious to everyone on the Internet?

I didn't think it was a minority view that the RF were somehow behind it. I'm not particularly interested in the RF or Diana's death but as a layperson it's not a massive stretch to believe it, given all the stories that have come out since

I wouldn't think so but there was some issue about a white Fiat that may have caused the driver to lose control of the Mercedes. It gave me pause because it was never found.

I think it’s pretty tasteless to say that the queen would have given a sigh of relief. Her grandchildren lost their mum and were psychologically messed up for life by it. No one wants that for their grandchildren. (Plus Diana’s death resulted in an outpouring of public hate at the monarchy at the time and for a while polls were saying the queen should be the last monarch.)

As to the secret service idea 🤣🤣🤣 if they wanted someone dead it would be made to look natural like a quiet heart attack / drug overdose / fall from a balcony, not involve dozens of public witnesses in a public place and have the whole plan depend on her having no seatbelt on.

Well OP yanbu but there are clearly some nutters out there. As all the covid conspiracies have shown. People always want to believe that someone somewhere is in control of all the random shit that bappens…

merrymelodies

I posted a link upthread. It was found.

I know a couple of people who think she was murdered but then they also believe stuff like: the earth is flat, 5G masts cause covid, and the World Trade Centre was detonated on purpose by the US government.