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Original poster

To think you can't be 'Pro choice' if you agree in mandate vaccinations?

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secular39 · 22/01/2022 15:13

There. I said it.

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niccyb · 22/01/2022 22:44

@gettingmylifetogether. The vaccine doesn’t stop you getting the virus or does it stop you passing it on.

Against the Covid-19 virus there was 80% effectiveness against infecting someone else but in the trials for the effectiveness against the DELtA and on ice on virus there was actually very little protection.
Not to mention, you do realise that it is only NHS front line employed staff and carers who have been ordered to have the vaccine? GP’s and dentists are not employed by the NHS and therefore it will remain their choice whether they have it.
Also when the NHS nurse leave the NHS and decides to work for a private company because they don’t want the vaccine. The NHS will look to that nurse and private company to work in her old role for more pay and without needing the vaccine because there will be a shortage of staff!

Theluggage15 · 22/01/2022 22:55

YANBU. Bodily autonomy is bodily autonomy. You don’t pick and choose. The transmission effects of this vaccine last only a few weeks with omicron so waste of time anyway unless they’re suggesting vaccinating staff every few weeks!

Looks like they’re going to push this ridiculous policy into the long grass anyway.

Awalkintime · 22/01/2022 23:08

@Theluggage15

YANBU. Bodily autonomy is bodily autonomy. You don’t pick and choose. The transmission effects of this vaccine last only a few weeks with omicron so waste of time anyway unless they’re suggesting vaccinating staff every few weeks!

Looks like they’re going to push this ridiculous policy into the long grass anyway.

But they have autonomy - they have a choice, no one is being forced to have a vaccine.
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secular39 · 22/01/2022 23:09

@Thinkbiglittleone

I am pro choice.

Mandating vaccines for job roles does not effect body autonomy, it is a consequence to a choice. Nobody is making them have vaccines, just if they want to be in a role that is dealing with vulnerable people.

It's blackmail, pure and simple.

No vaccine, no job (really? The NS workers, particularly the ones who have been working in the sector for 10 years plus, who 22 months ago, were working face to face with Covid patients, putting their lives at risk during the face of a pandemic, and now the government says that by the 1st April, NHS workers have not had the vaccine lose their jobs.

Despite strong family history of blood clots and undergoing tests for a blood clotting disorder, my GP would not give me a medical exemption certificate and no way would I get my test results before February 1st- it's ludicrous.

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Seraphina1993 · 22/01/2022 23:10

YANBU

This 'otherising' of people in society is just plain wrong. We've seen it before with brexit, one group think they're virtuous and good and look down their nose at the 'others' who don't make the same choice as them.

Im vaxxed but believe that we should be treating people with dignity to make the choice to have any medical procedure performed on them.

Just really hate the extreme and nasty attitudes I'm seeing from people it's something we've seen in history time and time again.

It's like the whole 'be kind' movement. People only seem to be kind to people as long as you think the way they think and when you disagree on a topic you're branded as scum.

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secular39 · 22/01/2022 23:14

I'm sure if there was a mandate that every adult (children? Why not) is required to have the Covid vaccine, there would be an uproar.
Being blackmailed to have a vaccine or lose my job makes me feel sick and anxious. I have no say, as an individual, what medication I can/cannot put into my body. If I give a patient medication without consent, I will be preferred. No matter what argument. This is wrong pure and simple.

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Awalkintime · 22/01/2022 23:16

You do have a say, you can say no as can everyone else.

Awalkintime · 22/01/2022 23:21

@Seraphina1993

YANBU

This 'otherising' of people in society is just plain wrong. We've seen it before with brexit, one group think they're virtuous and good and look down their nose at the 'others' who don't make the same choice as them.

Im vaxxed but believe that we should be treating people with dignity to make the choice to have any medical procedure performed on them.

Just really hate the extreme and nasty attitudes I'm seeing from people it's something we've seen in history time and time again.

It's like the whole 'be kind' movement. People only seem to be kind to people as long as you think the way they think and when you disagree on a topic you're branded as scum.

I agree but it is both sides doing this. Name calling and threats from both sides.
Sometimeswinning · 22/01/2022 23:43

Well you can say no and find another job. Sorry but women being downtrodden and forced into backstreet abortions are being compared to people who choose not to have a vaccine which helps protect the vulnerable? I'm anti forced pregnancy if that makes it more clear.

It's your choice whether you have the vaccine but I'm free to think your selfish.

SpeedRunParent · 22/01/2022 23:53

I think you that by conflating the two issues you damage the credibility of what clearly is a far bigger issue than this fleeting pandemic. I am not for vaccine mandates either but I don't agree that we should be bringing the two matters together.

RoomOfRequirement · 22/01/2022 23:55

Such an offensive thread. You have no idea.

No one is forcing you to get the vaccine. You have the option of choosing another job. Your employer has the right to make requirements for your job and you have the right to refuse them and work for a different employer. Vaccines have been required for NHS worked for years.

Comparing that to women actually being forced into pregnancy, vaginal examinations, painful labors and possible death is not even remotely the same thing.

LemonSwan · 22/01/2022 23:57

YANBU

JustLyra · 22/01/2022 23:57

Mandating the vaccine is basically a fuck you to body autonomy. As a woman, no one can tell me what I should or should do not do with my body and I should not be penalised over my decisions.

No, it's not.

No-one is telling you what to do with your body. They are simply telling you requirements of the job.

Same as I couldn't be a firefighter or police officer because I'm too fat. They're not dictating against bodily autonomy, just that there are requirements for the job.

It would only be against bodily autonomy if you had to have the vaccine full stop.

It's a nonsense comparison.

MyDcAreMarvel · 23/01/2022 00:00

Mandating the vaccine is basically a fuck you to body autonomy. no it’s a my want is more important than your life you to the life of another person. As is abortion so yes you are right. You either put the lives of others first or the wants of your own.

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secular39 · 23/01/2022 00:03

@RoomOfRequirement

Such an offensive thread. You have no idea.

No one is forcing you to get the vaccine. You have the option of choosing another job. Your employer has the right to make requirements for your job and you have the right to refuse them and work for a different employer. Vaccines have been required for NHS worked for years.

Comparing that to women actually being forced into pregnancy, vaginal examinations, painful labors and possible death is not even remotely the same thing.

I work in a very specialist field and have trained for the past 7 years, made sacrifices (emotional and physical) to get my role- for me to find a new job, I will need to re train. Why on earth would I do that?
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Zodlebud · 23/01/2022 00:05

Having been into hospital for major surgery which if I had caught covid in the process it would have seen me ten feet under then I really struggle with unvaccinated people working on the surgical team. How do your life choices come above my right to life?

I do believe in choice. But when you are that vulnerable I do expect the people looking after to me to have much respect for my life as I do for theirs. If you are on my surgical team but put your beliefs above my life then I’m sorry but you you shouldn’t be doing the job you are.

MrsBerthaRochester · 23/01/2022 00:07

YANBU. The vaccine does not stop you catching OR spreading covid. It MAY mitigate this. People are clearly to dumb to get this.
Vaccine passports here in Scotland will be dropped by March. Fact.

RoomOfRequirement · 23/01/2022 00:07

I work in a very specialist field and have trained for the past 7 years, made sacrifices (emotional and physical) to get my role- for me to find a new job, I will need to re train. Why on earth would I do that?

It doesn't matter whether you will, the point is you have a CHOICE.

Choose to get vaccinated, or choose to get another job.

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secular39 · 23/01/2022 00:09

@RoomOfRequirement

I work in a very specialist field and have trained for the past 7 years, made sacrifices (emotional and physical) to get my role- for me to find a new job, I will need to re train. Why on earth would I do that?

It doesn't matter whether you will, the point is you have a CHOICE.

Choose to get vaccinated, or choose to get another job.

It's blackmail. Not a choice. Since when was coercion a choice?
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Awalkintime · 23/01/2022 00:10

Why on earth would you do that?

If your beliefs are that strong then surely you wouldn't want to work for such employers?

Awalkintime · 23/01/2022 00:11

It is a choice - you just don't like the choices on offer.

Iggly · 23/01/2022 00:14

Going down the mandatory vaccination route is one way to avoid investing in the nhs.

I don’t agreed with mandatory vaccinations. Partly because they’re not infallible and also most people have got them! There’s no attempt to try and understand peoples reluctance to them and provide more information and assurance.

It’s all a bit bully boy tactics to me.

I’ve got my booster next week but even I’m twitchy about having three vaccines in such a short space of time.

secular39 · 23/01/2022 00:15

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Awalkintime · 23/01/2022 00:18

You have a choice - 2 options. You don't like them. Why sign up for a job where vaccination is expected and then complain about that very expectation and label it as coercive?

Don't sign on the dotted line in the first place. Or were you blackmailed into that too?

Chloemol · 23/01/2022 00:18

@secular39

Yes. Exactly. I have seen many posts citing that NHS workers are selfish/inconsiderate/ anti-vaxers if they do not get the vaccinations. Many of my friends who are working in the NHS are flabbergasted that some of their colleagues have been given dismal letters for not having the vaccine.

Mandating the vaccine is basically a fuck you to body autonomy. As a woman, no one can tell me what I should or should do not do with my body and I should not be penalised over my decisions.

Many Mumsnetters on here are pro choice (thankfully) but time and time again I'm seeing collectively views of people refusing to take the vaccine as 'scum' it's ridiculous.

But they have to have other vaccines, they are mandated and part of the role Why is this an6 different?