Does shone rhyme with dawn or zone?

[youdialwetile]

DD has been told she's saying it wrong - may be both as used in different places?

Shone rhymes with Don🤷🏻‍♀️

In British English, Shone more commonly rhymes with One.

I believe in some of the more 'exotic' American tongues (Latin American/Mexican etc.), Shone does rhyme with Zone. How far that's infiltrated into standard American, though, I can't say.

I would say neither, it rhymes with gone. Depends on your accent I guess, mine is. South London

Depends where in the world you are. Uk - dawn, southern states of US - zone

@Adirondacks123

Depends where in the world you are. Uk - dawn, southern states of US - zone

Shone definitely does not rhyme with dawn in the UK. Shorn / Sean / Shaun all rhyme with dawn.

Depends on your accent. I would say shone, (short o cold sound). In somewhere like north Ireland it would be a long o with a bit of an r to it. Warmer.

@youdialwetile

DD has been told she's saying it wrong - may be both as used in different places?

Gone, obviously!

Neither of them. It does rhyme with won though.

@pollymere

The teacher is an idiot. Shone is shh-on. I suspect the teacher is assuming the split di-graph makes the o it's alphabet sound not it's phonics one. (Magic E to the rest of us). Like whether it's sk-on or sk-own (scone). However as shown is a word in its own right and shone is an exception word for magic E, the teacher is incorrect in this instance.

No, the teacher is not an idiot. However drip-feed-tastic OP was a bit silly not to say in her OP that the teacher was American and she lived in the US, for the benefit of people like you @pollymere who don’t bother to read all her posts before replying.

some of the more 'exotic' American tongues (Latin American/Mexican etc.),

Er, those would be Spanish!

@Pixies74

I haven't RTFT so sorry if this has already been covered, but are phonics taught differently then if the local accent isn't the standard RP?

Ie, some are saying that 'aw' and 'or' aren't pronounced the same, ie in Dawn and Corn. But they are taught as the same sound in phonics. So what happens then??

I'm in Ireland and the digraphs with an 'r' are certainly taught differently. My DC used the Jolly Phonics books, but the accompanying voice recordings (in an RP accent I think) were ignored when 'r' was involved, as they just didn't work for a rhotic accent.

@LizBennet

For me, ONE is pronounced the same as in wander. (WONN) WON is the same as wonder. (WUNN).

Same here.

@Pixies74 @LizzieAnt I am in an online group with some women from all over the U.K. who have a child in Reception. In a chat recently we got to talking about the “ar” digraph and one of the Scottish Mums, who lives in Scotland, went to check and was very surprised to find this in her child’s set of phonics cards! She thought that the teacher perhaps just skipped over that one, but I must find out if she even asked about it. I was really surprised given that the Scots take huge pride in having an independent educational system. She confirmed that the teacher had a rhotic accent herself and everyone locally, including her and her child, pronounced the “r” strongly.

I live in England, I just have to accept that my son has a different accent to me. He knows that Mummy says things differently and from time to time I remind him that accents are an important part of identity. The thing he finds most hilarious is if I try to speak like Daddy and end up going full Dick van Dyke .

None of the above, shone rhymes with don!

Neither. But in an education system that teaches children to pronounce 'H' as "Haitch" (instead of "Aitch") and "shtreet" instead of "street" I am not surprised, just dismayed!

@mynameisbiggles

Neither. But in an education system that teaches children to pronounce 'H' as "Haitch" (instead of "Aitch") and "shtreet" instead of "street" I am not surprised, just dismayed!

Read ALL OP’s posts. The teacher and child are in the US, not in the U.K. I think the one thing you can be sure of is that the kid is not being taught to say “haitch”!

I’m so glad this has come up. Recently we had a debate in which I felt my whole family must either be gaslighting me or April Fools’ Day had arrived early!
I don’t remember how it came up, but they tried to persuade me that ‘one’ rhymes with ‘gun’ and that I was from another planet to think it rhymes with ‘gone’. I didn’t realise this was even debatable. I should mention that they’re all Welsh/half-Welsh and I’m English. That said, I hear them pronounce ‘one’ just as I do, so it rhymes with ‘gone’.

@mynameisbiggles

Neither. But in an education system that teaches children to pronounce 'H' as "Haitch" (instead of "Aitch") and "shtreet" instead of "street" I am not surprised, just dismayed!

Not the haitch vs aitch argument again, we'll be here forever

Haitch is standard in some accents, you know. In my Irish accent, for example, using aitch would sound very odd indeed and would be considered incorrect.

@HaveringWavering
That's interesting. I'll bet the teacher did skip over that one!

You have to read this out loud.

11 was a horse
12 was 12
1111 race
12112

(sorry)

it only makes sense if you pronounce 1 as wun. My original accent doesn't.

@Heronatemygoldfish

You have to read this out loud.

11 was a horse
12 was 12
1111 race
12112

(sorry)

it only makes sense if you pronounce 1 as wun. My original accent doesn't.

That's brilliant 😂 (I don't pronounce one as wun). Amazing how the joke is lost completely if you don't pronounce it that way.

@SleepingStandingUp

Neither.

Dawn, Horn, Lawn
Zone, Phone, Moan
Shone, Gone, One,

This!

@Lightstoobright

What? As in 'the sun shone'? In my part of the country it rhymes with one/gone

Same. I'm in the South West.

I can't believe this is still going

The OP should have mentioned earlier (probably in her original post) that she was in the US. I'm English, living in the US, and had been here for many years before I realized that shone was pronounced to rhyme with zone here. It's just not a word you hear that often. (You'd be more likely to say "the sun was shining" not "the sun shone" usually.) It initially sounded very wrong and jarring to me, but it's not wrong and the teacher is not wrong. Presumably this child is American, being raised in the US, and therefore should pronounce it to rhyme with zone.

@Thethingswedoforlove

Neither/ it rhymes with gone

This