Does shone rhyme with dawn or zone?

[youdialwetile]

DD has been told she's saying it wrong - may be both as used in different places?

[quote QueBarbaridad]What about this clip
Won or wun?
dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/won?q=Won[/quote]
Wun. Same way I pronounce won/one

@EmpressSuiko

For those who say one and gone rhyme, how do you pronounce gone?

Like on with a g at the front. One is on with a w sound at the front.

Okay. So.

(I was born in the East Midlands, went to York uni, spent a couple of years in Lancs and came to the NE in the mid-90s)

There are two camps on "one" - either it rhymes with gone or it rhymes with done (incidentally, it was a long time before I realised "one and done" was intended to rhyme ). Got that. Have heard both.

But looking through this thread it appears that there are people who pronounce "won" (as in, actual spelling won, past participle of win) to rhyme with gone? Is this the case? I've not heard that at all.

Oh, I'm glad to see other Midlanders talking about rhyming tongue with song. H is convinced it's just me being weird and overinfluenced by (hymnwriter) Isaac Watts! Mind you, he doesn't see anything wrong with rhyming towel and owl...

QueBarbaridad What about this clip
Won or wun?
dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/won?q=Won

Wun.

Towel and owl rhyme perfectly where I m from!

[quote QueBarbaridad]What about this clip
Won or wun?
dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/won?q=Won[/quote]
That is wun. But one sounds different to that.

Ok I see now, for me gone is pronounced like John or Don and one is pronounced like bun or sun.
I’m from the south east.

But looking through this thread it appears that there are people who pronounce "won" (as in, actual spelling won, past participle of win) to rhyme with gone? Is this the case? I've not heard that at all.

No, just typos I think.

I always totally accepted in principle that in some accents 'one' is pronounced to rhyme with 'gone'. It's only since this thread that I've questioned it, since we are listening to the same clips and some of us hear one sound and some of us hear another.

Hang on... has anyone actually looked up the phonetic pronunciation in a proper dictionary? Going to do that right now...

@aSofaNearYou
Humour me.
Could you get a friend to play the Cambridge clips for one and won to you blind and test whether you can tell the difference.

One and gone rhyme?

Won and one sound the same.
Gone and don sound the same.

I'm not sure what people would think I was trying to say if I pronounced one as gone with the g

None of them! Three different sounds in my accent (mid Lancashire).

Without the g 🙄

One and gone and shone definitely rhyme for me.

I’m now merrily listening to pop songs with ONE in the lyrics and I’ve yet to hear a single WUN pronunciation. It’s all one to rhyme with gone.

Another one bites the dust.
One night in Bangkok.
Real Wild Child.

Hours of fun anyway.

Fun not rhyming with one, obviously.

[quote QueBarbaridad]@aSofaNearYou
Humour me.
Could you get a friend to play the Cambridge clips for one and won to you blind and test whether you can tell the difference.[/quote]
I could but I already know I do hear a difference. It's more of an "o" sound than an "u". It is a subtle difference I grant you!

Ok... the Cambridge dictionary clip for 'one' that someone posted upthread does not have the phonetic alphabet symbols to indicate pronunciation. Neither does the copy of the Concise OED (presumably because it's too common a word to need the pronunciation explained) However, here's the Collins Dictionary entry for 'one'. The phonetic symbol it gives for the vowel is an upside down 'v', which is the symbol for the sound 'u' in but, hum, duck etc.

So it would appear that however you say it in your accent, the 'standard' British pronunciation is not an 'o' sound. And the audio clip that we're hearing is therefore presumably said as an 'u' sound, even if some people are hearing it as an 'o'.

dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/one?q=One

dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/won?q=Won

Who else claims to hear a difference?

I could but I already know I do hear a difference. It's more of an "o" sound than an "u". It is a subtle difference I grant you!

Seriously? I just got ds to play them to me and they're identical. As in.. they could be the same recording! Also the Cambridge entry for 'won' does have the phoneric symbols, which are identical to the phonetic symbols for the Collins entry for 'one'!

@Bussinbussin

Some of the replies are really confusing me!

One and gone don't rhyme for me either. One rhymes with gun and gone rhymes with con. (And shone rhymes with gone/con.)

Are you Leeds based?

@crazyjinglist

I could but I already know I do hear a difference. It's more of an "o" sound than an "u". It is a subtle difference I grant you!

Seriously? I just got ds to play them to me and they're identical. As in.. they could be the same recording! Also the Cambridge entry for 'won' does have the phoneric symbols, which are identical to the phonetic symbols for the Collins entry for 'one'!

In the one I posted, the example in the sentence about Chinese sounds more accurate to the "o" sound I use and am used to than the singular word does. The one in the sentence is 100% an "o" sound, not an "u".

🍿😁
Accents vary. People pronounce things differently.

In the one I posted, the example in the sentence about Chinese sounds more accurate to the "o" sound I use and am used to than the singular word does. The one in the sentence is 100% an "o" sound, not an "u".

To me it's 100% an 'u', which agrees with the phonetic alphabet rendering of it. If it were an 'o', the phonetic symbol would be a backwards a, which is the symbol for the sound 'o' as in 'gone'.

These threads don't work unless people describe their accent as a preface before answering.

I speak RP in the south.

One and Gone do not sound the same when I say it, but I imagine my mate in West Yorkshire would say it sounds the same.

These threads don't work unless people describe their accent as a preface before answering.

Lots of people have. But they aren't just pronouncing things differently, they are actually hearing the same clips differently (said by RP southerners).