Does shone rhyme with dawn or zone?

[youdialwetile]

DD has been told she's saying it wrong - may be both as used in different places?

one won the bun in the raffle

In my mish-mash accent, the first two words sound exactly the same, and both rhyme with 'bun'

Claire Foy is from Stockport as am I. I wouldn't think of her as posh any more than I am

Or Phil Foden (Fill Foh-dun)

Moor- I'd pronounce it like more, I've heard people here call them "The mowers"

Sure- like shore.

Another attempt:
Most people who rhyme cut with put rhyme one with gone.
If someone who rhymes cut with put rhymes one with gun (eg someone from Yorkshire according to a previous poster) it is noticeable to most of us who rhyme one with gone.
If people who don’t rhyme put with cut rhyme one with gun it’s not noticeable because all their vowels sound odd anyway and require constant unconscious mental effort to be understood.

Are you joking or being goady @CounsellorTroi? It's hard to tell on this thread tbh.

It's close to me, I know she's not posh 😂

In that clip she’s exaggerating it. Wan wan wan.

A posh one does sound a bit more like sun. But if they said ‘one won the race’ I think you would still hear a slight difference.

Different word but 'the' even sounds different, depending on whether the next word starts with a vowel or a consonant. 'Thuh car' or 'thee apple'. Yet we don't even think about the difference - it's all 'the' to us.
How do foreigners ever learn !

I am a linguistic so I’m finding this thread very funny

A linguistic?? WTF iPhone. Linguist.

require constant unconscious mental effort to be understood

Only if you live a very parochial life and don't hear many other accents in your world.

I well remember fellow "professionals" in London complaining about an IT trainer who had a very gentle Glasgow accent, that they found her hard to understand. Jesus, get out from your accent comfort blanket once in a while. People who speak with that generic southern English middle-class drawl are the worst for not understanding people with "a regional accent". Because you see "they don't have an accent." They're right and everyone else is wrong. And that's before you even think about people speaking English from places outside the UK.

@ElftonWednesday

Claire Foy is from Stockport as am I. I wouldn't think of her as posh any more than I am

It wasn't her Stockport accent that was 'posh', it was the one she used for the Queen in The Crown.

So if you pronounce dawn as "Don" do you also say lawn as "lon"? Or do those words not rhyme?
I'm from Bristol but posh and say lorrrn and dawwn.
Can't get my head round shone sounding like shown!

I thought that might be the case. The Queen has a very specific accent, and even her voice and pronunciations has changed over time.

@Lightstoobright

They're completely different sounds OP.

Zone: own / cone / known / tone / flown

Shone: one / con / on / don /

Dawn: yawn / fawn / horn / corn

This.

I pronounce Dawn similar to Don so it rhymes with shone - but I have a pretty unusual accent.

I have heard Dawn pronounced with big emphasis on the W so "Dauwn" which would meen it doesn't rhyme with Shone in other accents

@ElftonWednesday
Only if you live a very parochial life and don't hear many other accents in your world.

I disagree. If that were the case it would be a conscious mental effort rather than unconscious.

In my accent it rhymes with 'dawn' (there is no long 'aw' sound where I'm from

See for me, accentually, I would pronounce these as the following:

yawn = yon
fawn = fon
horn = horn with emphasis on the r
corn = corn with emphasis on the r

So they wouldn't rhyme at all.

@LapinR0se

I am a linguistic so I’m finding this thread very funny

Maybe you could help with some phonetic transcription? After all, if ever a thread demonstrated why the International Phonetic Alphabet was needed it must be this one!

@Bussinbussin

Some of the replies are really confusing me!

One and gone don't rhyme for me either. One rhymes with gun and gone rhymes with con. (And shone rhymes with gone/con.)

Me too!

In my accent shone and dawn rhyme. But I would say shone as sh-on.

@DrinkFeckArseBrick

In my accent it rhymes with 'dawn' (there is no long 'aw' sound where I'm from

This explains it better than I could

@SleepingStandingUp

Neither.

Dawn, Horn, Lawn
Zone, Phone, Moan
Shone, Gone, One,