Does shone rhyme with dawn or zone?

[youdialwetile]

DD has been told she's saying it wrong - may be both as used in different places?

DH and family say 'tong' for tongue whereas I'd say 'tung'.
I'm Brighton and they're Nottingham so must just be slight regional differences. But OP, I can't make it work in my head that 'shone' rhymes with either 'dawn' or 'zone'. For me it's 'gone' or 'John'.

@Lindtnotlint

Joining the minds blown club. Not because I am shocked people say “one” differently - though I am a bit surprised at the prevalence of the “won as in con” version. What my mind is truly blown by is the people saying that “won as in con” is the “RP/BBC/most common” version. It definitely isn’t - I have the most RP accent you can imagine and it one is 100 per cent “wun as in sun” so the fact that the accent effect can be so strong it is impacting how people are /hearing/ the word is really fascinating.

I posted a link to how I say one earlier, which rhymes with con/gone. To me that is 100% how they say it on the BBC, and it also seemed to be how everyone said it in the available tutorial videos online.

I also have a very RP accent and it is 100% one as in gone. I can't say that nobody says it the same as won/sun (though I've never heard this) but what is definitely the case for me is that they do not say it like that on the TV. If there are people that genuinely think they do, then it must be something more to do with how our brain processes it than how it's actually being said.

@HaveringWavering

Depends on accent. I would say one as wun rather than won and gone as gon. So they don't rhyme

@AngelinaFibres. When you wrote “won” here, you weren’t saying it in your head like it sounds in “he won the race” were you? I think you were saying it in your head like the first part of “wonton”, right?

Otherwise
The race is over and I have won
All the others’ hopes are gone

would rhyme for you. But surely it doesn’t?

No wun tun gun mun flun Wun too three that's how my accent works

@mathanxiety

Shone rhymes with gone and scone

You're just trouble throwing your scone in there!

I can imagine shone and shorn sounding like sharn in an American drawl.

And one should probably be left out of the argument as despite coming from deepest Surrey even I know that some accents pronounce one to rhyme with gone.

@ThePants999

"one" rhymes with "gun", not "gone".

That depends on your accent. Surely you've heard plenty of people, on TV or radio for instance, who pronounce one to rhyme with gone?

@Freecuthbert

Shone rhymes with gone, con, don. Dawn rhymes with fawn, corn, worn. Zone rhymes with cone, bone, phone.

I am not sure if it is different in other accents, but the way I read and pronounce them none of them rhyme together.

Absolutely right

I have always only heard 'one' pronounced as 'wun', never as the 'won' in wonton. It sound like the posh way to say it but I don't think even the Queen says won does she??

@AngelinaFibres Yes I definitely relate to the "Professional Northerner" thing, my DP's family are the same. I've had to explain to him before that I've never encountered people as invested as they are in where they are from, and that place being more standard than all other places.

@LavenderAskew

These pronunciation threads always fascinate me. Not that things are pronunced differently but that people don't seem to have ever heard a different pronunciation. Do they not watch TV, listen to the radio, audio books or other people?

(We'll have to ignore the insistence that their was is right.)

I mean I can get that you might one immediately think "what!! One doesn't rhyme with shone!" Because you are accustomed to saying it to rhyme with wun and trying it out to rhyme with shone make you recall other people do say it differently to you!!

Well unless of cause you don't say shone the same!!

The thing is if you are surrounded by people who pronounce all their vowels differently from you, you are constantly unconsciously translating what they say. If someone with a Yorkshire accent says ‘won’ to rhyme with gun then I notice because the way we both say gun is very similar. If someone from the Home Counties (or more or less anywhere in the world other than the north and midlands) says won to rhyme with gun then I don’t notice because the way they pronounce the ‘u’ is so different from the way I would that it might just as easily be an ‘o’. I just mentally translate from the context without a thought.

After we moved, DBro got really confused for a while and went through a phase of pronouncing it “wan”, rhyming with “van”. So “I won wan”, for I won one. Nobody does that

Actually @Changechangychange, saying “one” as “wan” is very very common in Scots dialect. For example
“Gees wan o they pies hen” might be heard in a bakery- “Give me one of those pies dear”

@youdialwetile

Scottish but in America 20+ years. I can't put it down to USA pronunciation though because I don't think I've ever heard anyone say it like zone...cone...phone here or in the uk

Most importantly, what accent does your daughter have? If she speaks with a UK accent then the teacher shouldn't be correcting her.

Thanks for clearing that up @HaveringWavering, since my accent falls into the N.Irish side of things I was a little baffled

One is sun.
One definitely does not rhyme with gone. I can’t even work out how you pronounce them to sound the same.

No wun tun gun mun flun
Wun too three that's how my accent works

Sorry you’ve lost me. Does that couplet rhyme for you or not? Also what is “flun” when spelled non-phonetically?

Oops I meant one to rhyme with gun. Totally incomprehensible post!

This is ridiculous!

Are you saying if you said: one won the bun in the raffle

You would rhyme ‘one’ exactly like ‘won’? They’re not quite the same. (Unlike shone and gone, or dawn and corn).

@Thethingswedoforlove

Neither/ it rhymes with gone

This - shone to rhyme with gone!

@StripedMousse

This is ridiculous!

Are you saying if you said: one won the bun in the raffle

You would rhyme ‘one’ exactly like ‘won’? They’re not quite the same. (Unlike shone and gone, or dawn and corn).

They are the same for me.

Neither.

Shone rhymes with gone.

Dawn rhymes with morn, born, worn.

Zone rhymes with scone (controversially ), own, bone.

Not worn (arrgh) Confusing myself now.

One rhymes wirh upon for me.

Won with bun, sun, fun.

@RedRobin100

Shone rhymes with dawn/gone for me

Def not zone!

Dawn and gone do not rhyme except in a comedy cockney accent.

@NYnewstart

One is sun. One definitely does not rhyme with gone. I can’t even work out how you pronounce them to sound the same.

Why can't you work it out? In the same way you pronounce it to rhyme with sun, which is strange, but in no way unfathomable, to some.

@SisterJude

Let's move onto Moor and Sure. I'm from the North East but live down south. I love to annoy my kids by correcting them on their pronunciation of these words. My pronunciation has a "w" sound in it, which is obviously the only correct way of saying them

I frequently hear sure pronounced in a very similar way to sewer.

@ShowOfHands

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To my ear her posh "one" sounds more like WAN than WUN.