Does shone rhyme with dawn or zone?

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DD has been told she's saying it wrong - may be both as used in different places?

Yep rhymes with con for me too,
Neither of your two initial options in my (southern English) accent

And as for the shone = one…
Nope don’t get that 😆

Dawn

You can always check out a dictionary eg Lexico that has pronunciations of words and play these to find out the 'standard' pronunciation.

Is this magic e rule where the e on the end of shone makes the o say its name not its phonic sound

I’ve never heard anyone say one to rhyme with gone/don. In fact I just played the beginning of the One Show and Rylan clearly says ‘welcome to the wun Show on BBC wun’
So, ‘one’ rhyming with sun and fun.^

In response to this I've just listened to the exact same thing, and what he says does not rhyme with sun and fun. it's much closer to gone. (Though he is speaking quickly so it's not the best example for resolving this. We need someone speaking more slowly and deliberately. Though ultimately it won't prove anything, as clearly there is more than one pronunciation, dependent on accent.)

For me. shone, one and gone all have the same sound.

I have tried a couple of pronuciation guides, and the only time "one" sounded like "wun" was in the american pronunciation on one site. (Though I can believe it does, in some British accents.)

In my part of the country it rhymes with one/gone
^this

@pinkstripeycat

Love the posters who are saying one and gone rhyme. They must be from the north. Love a northern accent

In the midlands one is pronounced wun so gone and one dont rhyme for us. We have a silly accent and I hate it.

Depends where in the Midlands! I'm black country and one and gone rhyme for me and a lot of people I know.

I love my accent then. Always tickles me when people comment on it.. like they don't realise how they sound.

With language doesn't your brain learn to specialise in your native language and dialect so if you're not exposed to certain sounds as a baby you lose the ability to perceive them?

I'm finding this all really interesting. I'm Irish from Cork but a lot of family in Waterford so those would be my native accents. So I rhyme dawn with lawn and pawn, one with done, sun and won.

I would rhyme the word wan with gone so that might be throwing off my ability to hear people saying one to rhyme with gone, or maybe I just can't hear that sound so I hear wan or wun regardless of what that person is actually saying.

Shone rhymes with gone or con

Shown rhymes with phone

Watch the first 30 seconds of this. BBC1 definitely rhymes with gun here
^youtu.be/4QLlfUHsC0Q^

I agree it does in that BBC clip. Unlike they other one where someone made the same claim.

So even the BBC pronounces it two different ways.

Oh joy another pronunciation thread...

With language doesn't your brain learn to specialise in your native language and dialect so if you're not exposed to certain sounds as a baby you lose the ability to perceive them?

Yep, had some hilarious conversations with me, some Irish doctors and our Canadian colleagues - the Canadians couldn’t hear the difference between merry, Mary and marry - three completely different vowels sounds to the British/Irish doctors, all pronounced “merry” to the Canadians. They literally could not hear any difference whatsoever.

“The sun shone on Don at dawn”
Here sun rhymes with Don but not dawn.

You could say ‘shone’ and ‘dawn’ rhyme loosely though, I suppose.

I meant ‘shone’ rhymes with ‘Don’

Shone gone
Dawn lawn
Zone phone
There are other examples of course but these are the simplest.

Sun does not rhyme with dawn or don.
It rhymes with bun.

I love these threads!

Especially the ‘I’ve never heard it Any Other Way’ comments

I guess you’ve never left the village then!

@RandomLondoner

I’ve never heard anyone say one to rhyme with gone/don. In fact I just played the beginning of the One Show and Rylan clearly says ‘welcome to the wun Show on BBC wun’ So, ‘one’ rhyming with sun and fun.^

In response to this I've just listened to the exact same thing, and what he says does not rhyme with sun and fun. it's much closer to gone. (Though he is speaking quickly so it's not the best example for resolving this. We need someone speaking more slowly and deliberately. Though ultimately it won't prove anything, as clearly there is more than one pronunciation, dependent on accent.)

For me. shone, one and gone all have the same sound.

I have tried a couple of pronuciation guides, and the only time "one" sounded like "wun" was in the american pronunciation on one site. (Though I can believe it does, in some British accents.)

Yes I had the same experience. Though also Rylan does not have an RP accent so he isn't the best example.

But yes I definitely find all teaching guides and people speaking with RP accents on TV do support one = gone. Doesn't surprise me some say it differently but it does surprise me how adamant they are that that is standard.

It rhymes with gone

I only linked Claire Foy on GN as an example of somebody who - in their native accent - rhymes one with gone for all those people who claim they're completely unfamiliar with the concept. We all know the queen's accent is remarkable.

I was born in the Midlands and my parents moved when I was still little. They worked hard to make sure I didn't have the accent they did because my brother (school age when we moved) was being teased mercilessly and finding it unbearable. My accent is pretty much RP except for a couple of notable exceptions. One rhymes with gone is one of them. I also had to actively work to undo my pronunciation of tongue after the school bully punched me square in the stomach aged 7 and threatened to do so every time I said it in my faint South Derbys accent.

The idea that "he won a prize" and won-ton have different pronunciations of won is really tickling me as it is confusing so many of the won/one/wun explanations :o

Somebody is going to come out in a minute and claim that son and sun are not homophones. (Surely won is not pronounced wun in the same way that son is pronounced sun?)

English vowels in general are nuts aren't they.

Ah sorry ShowOfHands, I can see you did make it clear why you were linking the video.

teacher says it's like zone...cone ...phone

Are you sure she means shone rhymes with zone/cone/phone?
Shown (past tense of show - she was shown to her room, he was shown a green china vase) definitely rhymes with zone/cone/phone but shone is a different word that relates to light (the sun shone, she shone the torch/flashlight 🔦 round the dark room) and DEFINITELY rhymes with con