Does shone rhyme with dawn or zone?

[youdialwetile]

DD has been told she's saying it wrong - may be both as used in different places?

@SleepingStandingUp

Neither.

Dawn, Horn, Lawn
Zone, Phone, Moan
Shone, Gone, One,

Beautifully put. Nothing more to say.

@aSofaNearYou

I don’t, but ok.

🙄

It's quite annoying when people are treating something where the other person obviously has an equally valid point of view as if theirs is fact. But I've lived in the North for a long time, where people are often find it incredibly difficult to accept that other accents exist, and it really boils my piss.

I'm too invested in this thread.

I am from northern England and I am always surprised how different accents are in places that are only a few miles apart

Imagine someone with one child and no intention of having more. They might describe themselves as being “one and done”. It’s obviously a naff turn of phrase, but the two words rhyme.

“Done” (dunn) and “gone” (gonn) however do not rhyme, so it is a stretch to make “one” (wunn) and “gone” (gonn) rhyme with each other.

"A stretch".. No, just an accent.

@HalfBrick

Ah, the song windmills of your mind - the American song writer wrote:

Like a tunnel that you follow to a tunnel of its own
Down a hollow to a cavern where the sun has never shone

But the English singer insisted he sang them in his accent where own and shone DOES NOT rhyme.

I always thought that it was

“Down a hollow to a cavern where the sun has never shown”

Meaning has never shown - itself

Never seen the lyrics written

@Grilledaubergines
@aSofaNearYou

I’ve lost track of who is saying what because of all the quoting.

Let me get this straight.

1. You are both from the South of England and have lived there all your lives. However this still covers a massive area.

1. GA says that she has never in her life heard “one” and “gone” pronounced (by a fellow local) in a way that rhymes.

1. ASNY says that everyone around her rhymes them, and that you hear it all over the BBC as well.

So, three things could be happening here:

A. Each of these posters is hearing different sounds local to them ie there is more regional variation than they thought.

B. They are both hearing the same thing but their brains are processing it differently.

C. They are confusing each other with the way they are trying to represent sounds in writing (“won” “wun” etc) and they actually agree. Possibly it’s the way they say/hear “gone” that is more variable than “one”?

Can we resolve it like this? Can each of you find a clip(s) of someone saying “one” and “gone” that sounds like you hear them?

I’ll declare my bias- in my Scottish accent “gone” does not rhyme with “gun”, but “one” does rhyme with “gun”. In my accent “gone” rhymes with “on”.

@myhousebuild

I'm Irish and corn and dawn DO NOT rhyme for me in the bloody slightest!!!

Dawn-- has an aw sound as in "awe"
Corn-- has an clear 'r' sound like in the word "for"

It's like saying law and for rhyme...

Corn, horn, torn
Dawn, lawn, spawn

For me shone rhymes with gone
Scone rhymes with cone...

This is going to play with your head!! but in my accent ‘awe’ ‘for’ and ‘law’ all rhyme!!

The English language is brilliant isn’t is?

I’m in Leicestershire and literally an hour down the road in Northamptonshire the accent is much more southern, and an hour up the road in Derbyshire the accent is much more northern than mine!

I am from northern England and I am always surprised how different accents are in places that are only a few miles apart

I agree, but as a Southerner living in the North I have found myself at the receiving end of people scoffing and trying to tell me the way they say things IS the way things are said, as if I invented Queen's English and it hasn't been a very well known, dare I say more well known, alternative accent for a long time. Discussions around what to call meals of the day were always the worst.

I've never had any trouble accepting other accents and dialects exist and there isn't a "main one" but it's very irritating when others can't do the same.

@FlaviaAlbiaWantsLangClegBack

I'm can't get get my head around the Shaun the Sheep statement more than anything on this thread.

I'm trying to make Shaun sound like shorn and failing. What accents does it work in?

Rhotic accents- where the letter R is pronounced when it comes after a vowel. Most of America, Scotland, and Ireland have rhotic accents.

Interestingly, in the taped announcements on our local buses (London Transport) ‘one’ is pronounced more or less to rhyme with ‘con’, though the rest of the accent is much more like RP.

From experience, pronouncing one to rhyme with con is more common in the U.K. Midlands. I particularly noticed it when we moved there from the SE when I was a child.

@LemonViolet

One is like on/con for me! How do they say “BBC1” or “The One Show”, they don’t say “wun” do they?!?

In my head, for them to rhyme they'd need to call it the On show

There's always posters on these threads that remind me of a charming adult who mocked my child (who was 10) about how he said three. His words were "ha ha, you Irish say free wrong don't you"

That self-confidence seeped in arrogance, all wrapped up tightly by ignorance.

The posters who are saying "rhyme" actually mean that the words in question contain the same vowel sound.

If you think about it in those terms (vowel sounds) and not "rhyme" then it's easier to grasp.

One pronounced like that must sound like hyacinth bouquet.

@Geamhradh. You’ve answered @FlaviaAlbiaWantsLangClegBack’s question the wrong way round- the Shaun/Shorn pun does NOT in a rhotic accent.

@LavenderAskew

There's always posters on these threads that remind me of a charming adult who mocked my child (who was 10) about how he said three. His words were "ha ha, you Irish say free wrong don't you"

That self-confidence seeped in arrogance, all wrapped up tightly by ignorance.

And Amen to that.

It's a shame, because language is fabulous. Accents are fabulous. It's all amazingly interesting.

(These threads are a good example of the Dunning-Kruger effect though!)

@Phrowzunn

😂 I can’t cope with people thinking ‘horn’ and ‘corn’ rhyme with ‘dawn’..?! Also, in what universe does ‘one’ rhyme with ‘gone’?!

I don't understand this at all!

Does NOT work

[quote HaveringWavering]**@Geamhradh. You’ve answered @FlaviaAlbiaWantsLangClegBack’s question the wrong way round- the Shaun/Shorn pun does NOT in a rhotic accent.[/quote]
Oops, sorry!
Yes, you're right!

@3luckystars

One pronounced like that must sound like hyacinth bouquet.

Spelt b u c k e t !!!

I have seen the phrase "one and done" before (it's used a lot on Reddit) but I always imagined it to be "won and dun" not "wun and dun" :o

@BertieBotts

I have seen the phrase "one and done" before (it's used a lot on Reddit) but I always imagined it to be "won and dun" not "wun and dun" :o

I’d pronounce “Wun” and “won” the same though! How do they sound different to you?

Oops, sorry!
Yes, you're right!

Bloody Dunning-Kruger effect.

I just asked about this on a mainly American forum I go on. They’re all saying it rhymes with cone.
I’m really surprised. You learn a new thing every day.

This is an interesting blog on the pronunciation of one. Seems most people say "wun" In the midlands and some Northern areas it's like "gone" and also in some pockets of the south east.
jon-west-language.blogspot.com/2013/03/how-to-pronounce-one.html