To be really enjoying Boris Johnson's downfall Part 2

[ClaudineClare]

A follow on thread from

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4457488-to-be-really-enjoying-boris-johnson-s-downfall?msgid=114425763#114425763

'I have to go out now' = getting back to my spreadsheets Schapps style isn't it.

Of course it is flannel. Arse covering flannel.

Responsibilities
The Prime Minister is the leader of Her Majesty’s Government and is ultimately responsible for the policy and decisions of the government.
As leader of the UK government the Prime Minister also:
• oversees the operation of the Civil Servicee_ and government agencies
• chooses members of the government
• is the principal government figure in the House of Commons

www.gov.uk/government/ministers/prime-minister#:~:text=The%20Prime%20Minister%20is%20the,chooses%20members%20of%20the%20government

The Prime Minister should never be reduced to the messenger.

Flo it’s really starting to feel like you’re reading from the operation save big dog script.

A few things are beyond question.

The PM has damaged voter confidence probably to the point of no return. The public are now fed up of this shambles.

Many of his own MPs now see him as the liability that he clearly is.

Any other PM from the past would have had the decency to resign by now. Johnson isn’t interested in the Country, or even his own party. He’s only in it for himself and will blame anyone and everyone to keep his position. The more he deflects any responsibility the worse he looks.

Sorry, but I really don't have the time to keep correcting the multitude of errors made by certain contributors to this thread. I'm off to do some shopping

You are becoming a parody of yourself Flo. Enjoy your shopping.

@merrymouse

No, you are wrong again. What I will say is the tories went and won a by-election just before Christmas. You have conveniently forgotten about Old Bexley and Sidcup. I have no idea if that was anything to do with Johnson - I expect you will tell us that it was all down to Keir Starmer.

In the tragic circumstances claiming this as some kind of Johnson win is offensive.

I am not doing so. I am saying that to highlight a Tory loss before Christmas while not mentioning a Tory win in the same month is simply demonstrating bias.

@ClaudineClare

Sorry, but I really don't have the time to keep correcting the multitude of errors made by certain contributors to this thread. I'm off to do some shopping

You are becoming a parody of yourself Flo. Enjoy your shopping.

I have to say I assumed that the aims of Flo had always been to make Johnson look even more ridiculous than he already does. Much like Fabricant has recently revealed himself to be a Labour mole.

I am not doing so. I am saying that to highlight a Tory loss before Christmas while not mentioning a Tory win in the same month is simply demonstrating bias.

You think it is biased of us to be discussing a 50% drop in the Tory vote rather than a 13% drop?

Fair enough. Neither sound very good to me.
How many fewer MPs would Boris have if each constituency had a 13% drop?

@Notonthestairs

The Prime Minister is just the messenger?

Lockdown laws are decided by parliament. Lockdown directions are decided by cabinet. In both cases the prime minister goes on the telly to tell us what has been passed or agreed. He is just the messenger.

If he broke the law on the 25th May 2020, it would have been parliament's law that he broke - not some personal fabrication of his own.

jgw1
You think it is biased of us to be discussing a 50% drop in the Tory vote rather than a 13% drop?

No, wrong as usual. Do you try to make an error in every post you make?

As I made clear to even the most muddle-headed, I think it is biased to mention a loss while keeping quiet about a contemporaneous win.

@Florianus Since the messenger seems to have become the only story anyone is talking about, do you think it is time that we had someone else in this insignificant position.

My postie is very friendly and always delivers the messages efficiently, we could perhaps try them?

A messenger who doesn't understand the message he is delivering, he is clearly in the wrong job.

@Florianus

jgw1 You think it is biased of us to be discussing a 50% drop in the Tory vote rather than a 13% drop?

No, wrong as usual. Do you try to make an error in every post you make?

As I made clear to even the most muddle-headed, I think it is biased to mention a loss while keeping quiet about a contemporaneous win.

The drop in the vote in Old Bexley and Sidcup would be considered alarming for any governing party in a seat that has only ever returned a Tory MP.
That it is overshadowed by the complete collapse in the Tory vote in a conservative constituency that has for over 150years only ever elected a Tory MP does not make it a win.

I am not doing so.
You could have fooled me.

I am saying that to highlight a Tory loss before Christmas while not mentioning a Tory win in the same month is simply demonstrating bias.

Is there any reason why posters have to be unbiased? Or should that be, have to agree with you? The North Shropshire loss was huge - it's an area which has voted Tory for 200 years with the exception of about two years, and it was an election which need not have taken place.

The Old Bexley one couldn't be avoided because the incumbent died.
As for David Amess's old seat - the other major parties are doing the honourable thing and not putting up a candidate.

We didn't mention the Chesham and Amersham loss either, or for balance the Tories Hartlepool win.

Chesham and Amersham was similar to Old Bexley in that the previous MP had been popular and died. How dare the electorate decide that they want to be represented by someone other than a Tory?

A messenger who doesn't understand the message he is delivering, he is clearly in the wrong job.

Well, yes.

Am wondering if Florianus is a Labour Party plant?

Except they would probably prefer Boris to stay as PM 🤔

"I have even heard MPs alleging that the prime minister himself has been doing this,” Bryant told the BBC Radio 4 Today programme. “What I have said to all of those people is that that is misconduct in public office. The people who should be dealing with such allegations are the police."

www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jan/22/about-a-dozen-tory-mps-said-to-have-accused-party-whips-of-blackmail

The tide of sewage is beginning to lap at the messenger's PM's toes.

Did I imagine it was there a poster earlier who was suggesting that the Prime Minister really reads out script messages that others have written?

Initially I thought it was an utterly bizarre suggestion, but perhaps they are onto something. Boris has always wanted to be Prime Minister, but isn't interested in the job, so why not just manipulate him to read out whatever increasingly odd messages you want him to?

@NinaDefoe

Oh good! A new thread!

There will be no downfall. Yes, he may lose his job but BJ is a very rich man and he will continue to live his very privileged life very nicely.
Unaffected personally.Unscathed.

More’s the pity.

Well, he clearly does fancy himself as a second Churchill, so he's going to hate the fact that he will go down in history as the worst Prime Minister ever. But that's going to happen whether he goes now or later. If he had any sense he would go now and at least avoid further incompetence, corruption and scandal being added to his record.

Did I imagine it was there a poster earlier who was suggesting that the Prime Minister really reads out script messages that others have written?

This is fact to an extent though, isn't it? He will have a speech writer, as will all the ministers.

Here's an example:
www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/profiles/3tMvnMp3DFW3z99Zvc7WC3T/clare-foges

[quote Zonder]Did I imagine it was there a poster earlier who was suggesting that the Prime Minister really reads out script messages that others have written?

This is fact to an extent though, isn't it? He will have a speech writer, as will all the ministers.

Here's an example:
www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/profiles/3tMvnMp3DFW3z99Zvc7WC3T/clare-foges[/quote]
Well yes I know about speechwriters, but apparently all Boris does is read out messages others have written.

Peregrina:
We didn't mention the Chesham and Amersham loss either, or for balance the Tories Hartlepool win

Does anyone here bother to read threads accurately?

The discussion was about by-elections just before Christmas. Neither of those you mentioned were held just before Christmas.

I think that's how it works though. And we know what happens when he tries to give his own speech - Peppa Pig Land and all that 😂

You seem to have confused two different issues, ClaudineClare. The blackmail issue is about Wragg and the Whips' office - not about Johnson.

The efforts of the Conservative Whips to save the backside of the leader of the Conservative party is not about the leader of the Conservative party, @Florianus? Could you explain that?

[quote Zonder]Did I imagine it was there a poster earlier who was suggesting that the Prime Minister really reads out script messages that others have written?

This is fact to an extent though, isn't it? He will have a speech writer, as will all the ministers.

Here's an example:
www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/profiles/3tMvnMp3DFW3z99Zvc7WC3T/clare-foges[/quote]
I don't think many will easily forget his speech to the CBI, which he was said to have written himself on the train to the conference - the one in which the pages were neither numbered nor stapled together, so when he lost his place he kept muttering "Forgive me ... forgive me", as if in a Confessional. Having failed to find the correct page, he launched into a rambling and irrelevant diatribe about Peppa the Pig.

@Florianus

Peregrina: We didn't mention the Chesham and Amersham loss either, or for balance the Tories Hartlepool win

Does anyone here bother to read threads accurately?

The discussion was about by-elections just before Christmas. Neither of those you mentioned were held just before Christmas.

Planet Earth is about 4.5billion years old, so just before Christmas could probably include anything from the past few thousand years.