To be really enjoying Boris Johnson's downfall Part 2

[ClaudineClare]

A follow on thread from

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4457488-to-be-really-enjoying-boris-johnson-s-downfall?msgid=114425763#114425763

10 mins or 30 mins. Work or party. Cake or sandwiches. Nobody is buying the Tory bots bollocks. Its clear the rules weren't for them. Multiple votes will be lost.

As for the Ukraine?Afghanistan etc we should be worried about partygate in regard to that as it means the Prime Minister we have to lead us through this crisis is the same one who tells ridiculous lies to everyone and is looking more corrupt, inept and weaker by the day. If it was possible. Who is expending more energy trying to salvage an unsalavageable reputation. Not what we need when there are actually serious issues at hand. (However 165,000 + people dead from covid would suggest he is just shit anyway and cant sink to any depths lower than that .)

According to Peston the delay in publishing the Gray report/findings has come as a result of a request from Downing Street not from the police.

I am someone else that can worry about inflation, the cost of heating, what's happening in Ukraine and the PM misleading Parliament.

I'm not. I find it incredible that most people are dancing round in glee over Boris's down fall when we are actually stepping up to the line to be involved in war with Russia. .

Then as with the run up to WW2 we need someone who can lead - not a PM who is half cut much of the time and runs away when decisions need to be made. It's time he got the boot, and someone else was put in to LEAD.

@Peregrina

I'm not. I find it incredible that most people are dancing round in glee over Boris's down fall when we are actually stepping up to the line to be involved in war with Russia. .

Then as with the run up to WW2 we need someone who can lead - not a PM who is half cut much of the time and runs away when decisions need to be made. It's time he got the boot, and someone else was put in to LEAD.

This. The last thing we need now is a weak PM grimly hanging on to power by his fingernails.

@JustAnotherPoster00

we have the fastest growing economy in the G7

Citation needed

Over the course of the pandemic so far (between the fourth quarter of 2019 and the third quarter of 2021), the UK’s economy has experienced the second worst growth among the G7, contracting by 1.5%.

stats.oecd.org/Index.aspx?QueryId=77241

'I'm carefully watching the news on Ukraine, it is very worrying. Just because people post on here does not mean they also cannot be looking at what is happening over there.But this thread is about Johnson..'

Yes and that is fine. My point was if only the media would pay as much attention to other matters. Daytime telly today has led on party gate so while I don’t doubt you know what is going on in Ukraine I would guess many, many people don't so perhaps they should widen their topics a bit to actually include serious current affairs.

Poor Paul Brand! I feel a bit sorry for him tbh, it's not exactly serious journalism is it. They wished Johnson happy birthday at work and got him a cake..🥱

Should they widen their topics on a thread about Johnson? 'Cos that ain't happening! Janiie

On Paul Brand and your sniping about him... a cake and 30 people in an official room singing. All against the law at the time. But hey... let's just make it about a cake shall we...
And WTAF was Carrie from No. 11 doing there with Lulu wotsit.
Party time obviously.

On another note... I've just heard Rees-Mogg defending Johnson and saying how brilliant he is and how honoured he is to be serving under him.
I wish wish wish they would wheel him out more often because if anything puts the electorate off, it's him (apart from the deluded in NESomerset of course)
He's a cross between a Victorian wank sock and a book on Latin phrases.

@Peregrina

I'm not. I find it incredible that most people are dancing round in glee over Boris's down fall when we are actually stepping up to the line to be involved in war with Russia. .

Then as with the run up to WW2 we need someone who can lead - not a PM who is half cut much of the time and runs away when decisions need to be made. It's time he got the boot, and someone else was put in to LEAD.

Yes, not only is this argument inherently suspect but it's also wrong.

Another Rees Mogg was standing (yes, there's more of them) some years back. Locals had stickers made to put across most of the Vote for Me posters : "Toff Off".

I've just heard Rees-Mogg defending Johnson and saying how brilliant he is and how honoured he is to be serving under him. I wish wish wish they would wheel him out more often because if anything puts the electorate off, it's him (apart from the deluded in NESomerset of course)

His comeuppance may not be too far off - the new Somerset unitary authority has its first election in May. How delicious would it be if it didn’t have a Tory majority?

'Should they widen their topics on a thread about Johnson? 'Cos that ain't happening! '

No, you can talk about BJ all you like obviously. Again, sorry for repeating myself but I can't have been clear, my point was the daytime telly and some media are being incredibly irresponsible to have partygate as their focus. GMB, Lorraine, Vine all led on it not a whiff of Ukraine. No, they aren't serious news programmes but it is where many get their info from.

Yes, not only is this argument inherently suspect but it's also wrong.

Perhaps you would care to elabourate why it's wrong. Chamberlain got the boot to be replaced by Churchill. That is fact.

Now whether Chamberlain's policy helped us buy time or not and in fact his reputation has been unfairly tarnished is a matter of debate.

I will grant that I don't know whether Johnson is half cut most of the time. We do know that he runs away much of the time.

@Peregrina

I'm not. I find it incredible that most people are dancing round in glee over Boris's down fall when we are actually stepping up to the line to be involved in war with Russia. .

Then as with the run up to WW2 we need someone who can lead - not a PM who is half cut much of the time and runs away when decisions need to be made. It's time he got the boot, and someone else was put in to LEAD.

Absolutely. He is not cut out for this.

His comeuppance may not be too far off - the new Somerset unitary authority has its first election in May. How delicious would it be if it didn’t have a Tory majority?

Oh please let it happen.
We have a Poudland JR-M as MP for our constituency and if he were ousted too, my cup will runneth over....

'I've just heard Rees-Mogg defending Johnson and saying how brilliant he is and how honoured he is to be serving under him'

He's brilliant isn't he. A figure of ridicule for the howling mob but intelligent, articulate and always spot on with his analysis.

'Then as with the run up to WW2 we need someone who can lead - not a PM who is half cut much of the time and runs away when decisions need to be made. It's time he got the boot, and someone else was put in to LEAD.'

Half cut? You mustn't let the telly reporters brainwash you.

Well I'm very glad he is PM if this crisis escalates. He will be the best PM to lead not God forbid if labour had have got in in 2019. Doesn't bear thinking about.

Reduced to ‘Yeah, but Corbyn’ again @JaniieJones? Really scraping the barrel now.

Yes, I thought the same - I just stopped to check how many What about Corbyn's we have had. Only 7 mentions so far, the Johnson fan club are slipping.

@Blossomtoes

Reduced to ‘Yeah, but Corbyn’ again *@JaniieJones*? Really scraping the barrel now.

I never mentioned corbyn! I pp was saying we need a good leader I'm merely pointing out he is a good leader and thank God Labour didn't get in in 2019. Imagine that crew trying to manage a pandemic and now the instability in Ukraine.

@Roussette

Locked I'm not 'meh'

And I can concentrate on more than one thing at once.

I'm carefully watching the news on Ukraine, it is very worrying. Just because people post on here does not mean they also cannot be looking at what is happening over there.
But this thread is about Johnson..

Yes - the down fall of him when we are in this situation. Its bonkers. Its like celebrating the end of a CEO when the companies about to be involved in a hostile take over and every ones job will be on the line.

Only worse. It could be people lives on the line.

I am pissed of with Boris, I am no fan. I was furious when the news broke out in December about the No.10 fuckery but they need to be making sure that the Uk is well protected and sitting down and sorted this out. But instead day after day its fucking party gate and the very real possibility of a cabinet shuffle.

We are most likely heading in to war and people are more concerned with kicking Johnson out for allowing parties 2 years ago.

Russia has just spent the last 10 years getting ready for this. This could be it.

But most people are like 'meh...but Boris went to a birthday party ...'

@JaniieJones

'Should they widen their topics on a thread about Johnson? 'Cos that ain't happening! '

No, you can talk about BJ all you like obviously. Again, sorry for repeating myself but I can't have been clear, my point was the daytime telly and some media are being incredibly irresponsible to have partygate as their focus. GMB, Lorraine, Vine all led on it not a whiff of Ukraine. No, they aren't serious news programmes but it is where many get their info from.

I'm a bit of a floating voter, but mostly vote conservative.

I want the news to concentrate on how poor and contemptuous of their electorate the Tory party are. Considering the other events you mention, it's more imortant than ever that we have strong, intelligent and morally sound political leaders. The spotlight is exactly where it needs to be.

There will always be important stuff happening in the world that distract from how useless our politicians are. It's about time the focus was kept on them and when they point in the other direction, we ignore them and keep looking at them.

@JaniieJones

'I'm carefully watching the news on Ukraine, it is very worrying. Just because people post on here does not mean they also cannot be looking at what is happening over there.But this thread is about Johnson..'

Yes and that is fine. My point was if only the media would pay as much attention to other matters. Daytime telly today has led on party gate so while I don’t doubt you know what is going on in Ukraine I would guess many, many people don't so perhaps they should widen their topics a bit to actually include serious current affairs.

Poor Paul Brand! I feel a bit sorry for him tbh, it's not exactly serious journalism is it. They wished Johnson happy birthday at work and got him a cake..🥱

@JaniieJones at risk of repeating myself it is entirely the choice of one man that the media are talking about parties.

The man who told other people not to meet up with even one other person in doors or out, but couldn't stick to it. The man who when asked about it tried to pretend it didn't happen, then that he didn't know the rules, that he told us about regularly and then even more implausibly that drinking wine and eating cake is work.

If that man resigns then we can all concentrate on these more pressing matters that you are so concerned about.

we need someone who can lead - not a PM who is half cut much of the time and runs away when decisions need to be made. It's time he got the boot, and someone else was put in to LEAD

Very well put. The last few months have shown just how poor his judgement is, how little responsibility he is capable of showing, and how hugely self centred he is. That’s before you even mention the constant stream of lies. We need better, now more than ever.

@Peregrina

Yes, I thought the same - I just stopped to check how many What about Corbyn's we have had. Only 7 mentions so far, the Johnson fan club are slipping.

Have we had, but Keir Starmer went down on one knee yet today?

'it is entirely the choice of one man that the media are talking about parties.'

Oh they can talk about eating and drinking at work and try to convince people these were 'parties', it is the hysterical focusing on it that is wrong.

@Rodedooda

I think the met investigation will be of benefit to the government - it will clear them of any criminality, therefore case closed, move on. Regardless of what Sue Grey's report says after the event.

Thoroughly depressing to think they'll getaway with it.

The police can't conclusively clear anyone of criminality. If they decide not to prosecute, all that says is that the CPS doesn't think there is at least a 50% chance of persuading a jury that they are guilty beyond reasonable doubt, which is a high hurdle to get over; or that they've decided that it's not worth prosecuting, e.g. because the cost of prosecuting far outweighs the likely penalties.