To be really enjoying Boris Johnson's downfall Part 2

[ClaudineClare]

A follow on thread from

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4457488-to-be-really-enjoying-boris-johnson-s-downfall?msgid=114425763#114425763

In the past I've often invited my ' interior designer ' to any dos !! 😂 working hard , I bet she was !
Doesn't Shapps realize how stupid he sounds defending this pile of old crap ?

Straight from the horses mouth

Laughable innit?

House parties are only for the idiots who run the country during a pandemic, the rest of us can get stuffed!
.. #mugged off big time

'People are still fans of his though, I can't understand why ?'

Because we have the most open society in Europe, we didn't have more restrictions over Christmas despite Scotland and Wales flapping, we have the fastest growing economy in the G7. Our ICUs weren't ever overwhelmed. We have more people in employment than pre-pandemic, fastest vaccination roll out. The big things count. Cake in the workplace does not, imo.

Shame the Met don't use all available man power to investigate knife crime. What a waste of everyone's time.

@Rodedooda

I think the met investigation will be of benefit to the government - it will clear them of any criminality, therefore case closed, move on. Regardless of what Sue Grey's report says after the event.

Thoroughly depressing to think they'll getaway with it.

The court of public opinion does seem to have rather made up its mind already, and I doubt whether the results of any inquires will change that.
In the same way that many made up their minds about Tony Blair without reading the Chilcot or Butler inquiry findings.

I doubt you'd feel like that Janiie if you'd been through what some people have on this thread or on the other current one.

Families matter. Doing the right thing for the rest of society matters. Thinking about the greater good and following what is actual law.. matters.

There's a distinct lack of empathy for what some went through whilst adhering to the rules at that time.

The hospitals were overwhelmed at the time of some of these parties though !
I agree that they were lucky on Omnicron, but it's still around.
They still BROKE THE RULES at that time
I cba to argue anymore as we will never agree.

Unfortunately the hiding behind the met investigation might work for him, and delay for months on end.

What's the pay rate for posting political propaganda online? Maybe it should be added to the '£10 a a day' threads in the money topic.

One poster on here is now posting replies in support of Boris and the parties that are beyond laughable.

we have the fastest growing economy in the G7

Citation needed

What I don't understand is that in May 2020 I personally would not have attended a drinks party, a leaver's party or a birthday party. Even putting the illegality aside and let's say I knew that for some "special reason " I would not get caught or prosecuted, I would still have not gone to such events.

Being honest this was mainly for selfish reasons in that I believed the official information that if I did then I would greatly increase my chances of getting Covid and although my age, lack of underlying health conditions and BMI put me in a lower risk there was still a real risk of getting seriously ill or dying.

Yet within Government there were numerous such events attended by large numbers of senior politicians and civil servants. Was this because they were all some kind of crazy reckless base jumping/ cave diving types who would prioritise a free works booze up over the risk to their own health.

Or did they simply know something about the actual health risk of Covid that was very different to what the public were being told?

Jacob Rees Mogg is on here, or maybe it's his nanny?, earning a bit on the side.

Or did they simply know something about the actual health risk of Covid that was very different to what the public were being told?

I think you are veering into conspiracy theory territory.

Yep, they were all of the opinion that covid wasn't that bad, it's the only conclusion isn't it ?
I have thought this for a while now too
Johnson ended up with it too and still carried on partying. It is odd.

@1dayatatime

What I don't understand is that in May 2020 I personally would not have attended a drinks party, a leaver's party or a birthday party. Even putting the illegality aside and let's say I knew that for some "special reason " I would not get caught or prosecuted, I would still have not gone to such events.

Being honest this was mainly for selfish reasons in that I believed the official information that if I did then I would greatly increase my chances of getting Covid and although my age, lack of underlying health conditions and BMI put me in a lower risk there was still a real risk of getting seriously ill or dying.

Yet within Government there were numerous such events attended by large numbers of senior politicians and civil servants. Was this because they were all some kind of crazy reckless base jumping/ cave diving types who would prioritise a free works booze up over the risk to their own health.

Or did they simply know something about the actual health risk of Covid that was very different to what the public were being told?

Neither probably. My age and BMI would indicate that I’d probably have been very ill. I obeyed the rules because it was the responsible, adult thing to do, not because I was frightened. I assumed I wouldn’t get covid and if I did I wouldn’t die. They probably did too, the difference being I have a moral compass and they don’t.

@ClaudineClare

Or did they simply know something about the actual health risk of Covid that was very different to what the public were being told?

I think you are veering into conspiracy theory territory.

It's public knowledge that they used "behavioural science" to manipulate behaviour - ie by terrifying people into compliance with the rules.

It's not conspiracy theory. There's a programme on BBC Sounds about it.

@the80sweregreat

Yep, they were all of the opinion that covid wasn't that bad, it's the only conclusion isn't it ? I have thought this for a while now too Johnson ended up with it too and still carried on partying. It is odd.

I suspect that

a) so many of them assumed they had already had it. This group had been working together in pretty close proximity for 3-4 months while we know lots of them had Covid.

B) they knew as we all did that younger healthy people were relatively low risk & mist judged themselves in that group.

@JustAnotherPoster00

we have the fastest growing economy in the G7

Citation needed

That'll be because Boris and Rishi crashed our economy more than anyone else managed.

Whatever the reason they felt able to go ahead the fact is they did.

This government set rules for others that they didn't think mattered to them.

I don't care if they are found to have broken the law or just guidelines. They have certainly lied to parliament ('I didn't know' is not a defence)

If Boris doesn't resign then I really hope they are destroyed in the May elections.

then I really hope they are destroyed in the May elections

I think that’s a given whether he resigns or not. The damage has been done now.

It certainly terrified me enough to obey the rules!
Millions did the same , they wouldn't have gone to any parties.
They must have known something we didn't ?
Or just thought they were ' covid proof ?'
Natural immunity ?
Not sure, but it's strange they felt they could disobey all the rules with impunity like this and have meet ups instead of staying apart from each other as they advised others to do?
They all caught it too , so they knew how infectious it was pre vaccines etc. they had enough experts telling them first hand how bad it was and they ordered the lockdowns to 'stop the spread' just not taken that seriously in Downing Street it seems.

I'm not. I find it incredible that most people are dancing round in glee over Boris's down fall when we are actually stepping up to the line to be involved in war with Russia. .

Boris eating cake with work colleagues - 'OUTRAGE!!'
U.K getting involved in an impeding war with Russia - 'Meh'

It would be amazing if everyone just had a quick read of why Russia is doing a land grab/take over of Ukraine and what the long term consequences - including fuel would be.

Thanks

I am interested and worried about the Ukraine, the rising cost of living, children at risk of starving in Afghanistan etc as well as being angry at partygate.

Thanks

Locked I'm not 'meh'

And I can concentrate on more than one thing at once.

I'm carefully watching the news on Ukraine, it is very worrying. Just because people post on here does not mean they also cannot be looking at what is happening over there.
But this thread is about Johnson..