Page 30 | To be really enjoying Boris Johnson's downfall Part 2

ClaudineClare · 2022-01-21T22:57:38+00:00

A follow on thread from [[https://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4457488-to-be-really-enjoying-boris-johnson-s-downfall?msgid=114425763#114425763]]

Florianus · 25/01/2022 09:45

Flowertailbird:
30 people in a room with a birthday cake and a buffet and all singing a song is far more the definition of a party than it is work.

The number of people in the room is disputed. George Eustice claims that it was closer to 10 rather than 30.

Hopefully we should know the truth when Sue Gray's report is published.

longwayoff · 25/01/2022 09:46

Oh, sorry, 'not news'. Possibly you only watch minutes at a time.

jgw1 · 25/01/2022 09:47

@JaniieJones

'Personally Janiie I am managing to keep abreast of both situations. Everything I look at is covering both'

Not with the same rabid hysteria. I'm sat with the telly on waiting for a delivery and GMB, Lorraine and now Jezza Vine leading on the eating a piece of birthday cake equals attending a party 'story'. It is pathetic.

Fair enough they aren't the 'news' but these daytime TV programmes like to pretend they are current affairs discussion programmes which many folk lap up word for word.

Well that is the choice entirely of one man, Boris Johnson.

He chose to have parties including a birthday party when denying that opportunity to everyone else. He then chose to lie about having those parties, he has refused every opportunity and there have been many to tell us about all the illegal parties he attended in lockdown and now he is choosing to prolong the story and distract from serious issues like Russia.

You are right it is pathetic, that we have a Prime Minister who has so little regard for everyone else.

VikingOnTheFridge · 25/01/2022 09:48

@jgw1

The actual criterion under the regs was whether the gathering was reasonably necessary for work.

It is increasingly clear that Big Baby only does any work if food or booze are involved and so these gatherings were absolutely necessary for work to be done.

Have I pre-empted the latest line from our friendly fanboys?

Probably. Tbf I can't say you're actually wrong...

Florianus · 25/01/2022 09:50

jgw1:
*Well that is the choice entirely of one man, Boris Johnson. He chose to have parties including a birthday party.^

Are you sure about that? My understanding is that the Birthday Cake event was a surprise sprung on him by Princess Nut Nuts, while he wasn't even invited to the gathering on the 25th May. I have not seen any suggestion that he chose to stage either event, but perhaps there is something in SG's report to indicate otherwise?

Flowertailbird · 25/01/2022 09:52

Ah yes! Thank you for clarifying. This must also be connected to the 'but George Ustice said' rule which is a particular rule which covers the numbers allowed at an event. You just need to ignore the actual numbers being reported and get George to say a lower number and then the actual numbers are deemed irrelevant. Two great rules in my opinion. Especially as I burgled 30 homes last night but George said it was only actually 10 and I was only in each house for 10 mins eating cake and stealing lots of expensive items. No laws were broken however.

VikingOnTheFridge · 25/01/2022 09:55

@Florianus

jgw1: *Well that is the choice entirely of one man, Boris Johnson. He chose to have parties including a birthday party.^

Are you sure about that? My understanding is that the Birthday Cake event was a surprise sprung on him by Princess Nut Nuts, while he wasn't even invited to the gathering on the 25th May. I have not seen any suggestion that he chose to stage either event, but perhaps there is something in SG's report to indicate otherwise?

He chose to attend the surprise party as opposed to leave the illegal gathering though, unless you're claiming he was held against his will? In which case obviously the other attendees should be questioned by the Met as soon as the latter can be spared from their busy rape schedule.

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ClaudineClare · 25/01/2022 09:58

I knew the Ukraine line would be trotted out by some on here again today after Bone did the same on Newsnight.

Yes Ukraine is more serious than Partygate. So is the fact that many people are struggling to heat their homes and pay their grocery bill. Many will be more worried about that than Partygate or Ukraine.

Strange then how it is the electorate "worrying about Ukraine more than Partygate " that is used as a line to take and not "worrying about heating homes and feeding families more than Partygate".

Wonder why that is?

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Peregrina · 25/01/2022 09:58

George Eustice claims that it was closer to 10 rather than 30.
Does that mean he was admitting to being there? Or is he yet another one talking out of his arse?

Why are they jumping in to defend Johnson? He will throw them under the bus if it's to his advantage to do so.

VikingOnTheFridge · 25/01/2022 09:58

@ClaudineClare

I knew the Ukraine line would be trotted out by some on here again today after Bone did the same on Newsnight.

Yes Ukraine is more serious than Partygate. So is the fact that many people are struggling to heat their homes and pay their grocery bill. Many will be more worried about that than Partygate or Ukraine.

Strange then how it is the electorate "worrying about Ukraine more than Partygate " that is used as a line to take and not "worrying about heating homes and feeding families more than Partygate".

Wonder why that is?

Yes, that's an interesting conundrum isn't it?

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ClaudineClare · 25/01/2022 10:00

In which case obviously the other attendees should be questioned by the Met as soon as the latter can be spared from their busy rape schedule

Don't forget their additional busy schedule of cutting women's clothes off and laughing at their body hair.

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VikingOnTheFridge · 25/01/2022 10:03

@ClaudineClare

In which case obviously the other attendees should be questioned by the Met as soon as the latter can be spared from their busy rape schedule

Don't forget their additional busy schedule of cutting women's clothes off and laughing at their body hair.

Yeah sorry I wouldn't want to imply that rape is the only way they violate women.

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ClaudineClare · 25/01/2022 10:06

I am so sick of it all, the corruption and lies. The taking us for fools. As well Johnson, the whole cabinet should go along with Cressida Dick.

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SueSaid · 25/01/2022 10:08

'Especially as I burgled 30 homes last night but George said it was only actually 10 and I was only in each house for 10 mins eating cake and stealing lots of expensive items. No laws were broken however'

Oh dear. The 'burgling' analogies are getting a bit silly now aren't they.

At the risk of sounding like a broken record but just in case anyone does get their 'news' from daytime telly..workplace eating and drinking was allowed, parties weren't allowed but eating cake isn't a party. We still haven't had any snaps/leaks from BJ's alleged party in his flat have we?

Burgling isn't allowed. I hope that helps.

VikingOnTheFridge · 25/01/2022 10:10

Has anyone in the PMs camp tried to say the birthday gathering was essential for work yet? I can't keep up.

Flowertailbird · 25/01/2022 10:11

@JaniieJones

'Especially as I burgled 30 homes last night but George said it was only actually 10 and I was only in each house for 10 mins eating cake and stealing lots of expensive items. No laws were broken however'

Oh dear. The 'burgling' analogies are getting a bit silly now aren't they.

At the risk of sounding like a broken record but just in case anyone does get their 'news' from daytime telly..workplace eating and drinking was allowed, parties weren't allowed but eating cake isn't a party. We still haven't had any snaps/leaks from BJ's alleged party in his flat have we?

Burgling isn't allowed. I hope that helps.

Oh dear @Janiiejones the repeated defending of the indefensible is getting a bit silly now isn't it?

Florianus · 25/01/2022 10:12

Peregrina:
George Eustice claims that it was closer to 10 rather than 30.
Does that mean he was admitting to being there?

No, it means what I wrote: we do not know for certain how many were there. You might just as well ask if the anonymous source who claimed there were 30 was actually there. We simply do not know.

Peregrina:
Why are they jumping in to defend Johnson?

Oh FFS, do I really have to spell out for the nth time that saying we do not yet know something is not defending Johnson?

Peregrina:

CryingAtTheDiscotheque · 25/01/2022 10:13

10 people, 30 people - it is irrelevant in law. Indoor gatherings of more than 2 were illegal unless a lawful excuse existed. There was no lawful excuse.

Thousands and thousands of fixed penalty notices were issued during this lockdown for similar or even less serious breaches.

SueSaid · 25/01/2022 10:14

'10 people, 30 people - it is irrelevant in law. Indoor gatherings of more than 2 were illegal unless a lawful excuse existed.'

Except for work.

If he's had a party in his flat that is different because that isn't a workplace.

DuncinToffee · 25/01/2022 10:15

The Met

Commissioner Cressida Dick tells the London Assembly that she thinks the public understands that “generally” it isn’t a good use of police resources to spend time investigating potential retrospective violations of lockdown regs when outcome is only fixed penalty notices...

(from Lewis Goodall)

DuncinToffee · 25/01/2022 10:17

@JaniieJones

'10 people, 30 people - it is irrelevant in law. Indoor gatherings of more than 2 were illegal unless a lawful excuse existed.'

Except for work.

If he's had a party in his flat that is different because that isn't a workplace.

So why were his wife and the interior designer there?

CryingAtTheDiscotheque · 25/01/2022 10:18

@JaniieJones10DS aren't arguing that the birthday party was "reasonably necessary for work". That is their excuse for the garden party. They know that it won't fly for the birthday party, so instead they are trying to obfuscate by arguing it was only 10 mins/BJ didnt know about it etc etc. None of these matters amount a defence in law.

DuncinToffee · 25/01/2022 10:19

New development

NEW: Cressida Dick: “I can confirm the @metpoliceuk is now investigating a number of events that took place at downing st and Whitehall in last 2 years in relation to potential breaches of covid 19 regulations.”

Florianus · 25/01/2022 10:19

@CryingAtTheDiscotheque

10 people, 30 people - it is irrelevant in law. Indoor gatherings of more than 2 were illegal unless a lawful excuse existed. There was no lawful excuse.

Thousands and thousands of fixed penalty notices were issued during this lockdown for similar or even less serious breaches.

Nobody is disputing that, although I have little doubt that Princess Nut Nuts can afford the fine (typically £100 for a party of 10, £300 for a party of 30).

Notonthestairs · 25/01/2022 10:19

Having a birthday celebration isn't necessary for work. Having your wife there isn't necessary for work.