To be really enjoying Boris Johnson's downfall Part 2

[ClaudineClare]

A follow on thread from

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4457488-to-be-really-enjoying-boris-johnson-s-downfall?msgid=114425763#114425763

@ClaudineClare

I suppose it should not be a surprise that Johnson would not help her. We all know he is a bigot.

Why did she refuse to use the official party complaints procedure when her complaint was against the party's Chief Whip? If Johnson had helped her to use some other system he would rightly have been accused of not using the proper channel.

The first paragraph of her recent statement explains why she didn't think the internal party complaints process was the correct one.

twitter.com/nus_ghani/status/1485259972430774274?s=21

And then she was advised by a Whip (!) that following it up would ruin her career.

Why has Michael Fabricant been so visible recently? It is quite strange.

Apologies ! should be have been ?

@ClaudineClare

Why has Michael Fabricant been so visible recently? It is quite strange.

I assumed he likes the attention and many more prominent MP's/ministers aren't talking (I'm thinking Gove etc)

Why did she refuse to use the official party complaints procedure when her complaint was against the party's Chief Whip? If Johnson had helped her to use some other system he would rightly have been accused of not using the proper channel.

Why did Boris choose the Ministerial Code to judge himself against for his wallpaper and not the parliamentary standards?

@ClaudineClare

Why has Michael Fabricant been so visible recently? It is quite strange.

Leadership bid?

He has the hair for it.

Why did she refuse to use the official party complaints procedure when her complaint was against the party's Chief Whip?

Because her complaint wasn't with the Tory Party as such. Perhaps she should have complained to Rees-Mogg rather than Johnson, with Johnson only being the messenger boy.

[quote 22itsallnew]This is a interesting read re Prince Andrew & Johnson and that people are getting sick of ‘putting up with the bullshit of entitled men’

www.theneweuropean.co.uk/boris-johnson-and-prince-andrew-a-pair-of-entitled-men-no-longer-defying-gravity/[/quote]
It'll be bs from King Charles and PM Gove before the year's out. Yay.

Oh god, not Gove PM and Prince Charles as King.
.. please no !
I hope the Queen lives a few more years yet and it's anyone but Gove!
( not sure who though ?)

@Florianus

Trilley: Loving the notion that you think that Rees-Mogg does all of that off his own bat.

You are making things up again:

I did NOT say that he does all of those things "off his own bat". He has the support of the Parliamentary Business and Legislation Committee to help him. Did you not know that?

You are misinterpreting. What I was enjoying was the notion that you apparently want us to believe that Rees-Mogg does essential components of his job not because they are, literally, his job, but entirely voluntarily and out of the goodness of his heart. If he didn't do them even Johnson would have to sack him.

[quote Notonthestairs]The first paragraph of her recent statement explains why she didn't think the internal party complaints process was the correct one.

twitter.com/nus_ghani/status/1485259972430774274?s=21[/quote]
No it doesn't. She just says it "wasn't appropriate". Why was it not appropriate and why did she think that she needed some special complaints procedure?

It was too ludicrous to deserve a reply, Peregrina. Do you really imagine the Prime Minister sits there telling the Leader of the House what to do, telling the Chancellor of the Exchequer how to run the civil service, dictating to Liz Truss what she should say to Putin, and so o? - inbetween running the civil service, representing UK on the world stage, running cabinet meetings, touring schools and hospitals around the country etc etc

This notion that the prime minister is some sort of superstar who does everything is simply nonsense

Oh, stop it, this is just so tedious now. You are, yet again, totally misrepresenting what I and others are saying. What is true nonsense is the notion you are trying to put forward that the Prime Minister carries no responsibility for or control over what his ministers do, what legislation is put before Parliament, what the cabinet does, what the civil service does, what his PPS does, what the whips he appoints does, or, really, anything. No-one accepts what you say because it is just so ludicrous.

@the80sweregreat

Oh god, not Gove PM and Prince Charles as King. .. please no ! I hope the Queen lives a few more years yet and it's anyone but Gove! ( not sure who though ?)

Gove? No way. Remember he stabbed Johnson in the back? He’s tainted by virtue of being part of the current cabinet and his close association with Cummings too. The Tory party needs a complete new start with all Johnson’s cronies cleared out.

Trilley:
What I was enjoying was the notion that you apparently want us to believe that Rees-Mogg does essential components of his job not because they are, literally, his job, but entirely voluntarily and out of the goodness of his heart

Don't be so ridiculous. He obviously doesn't do things "entirely voluntary"- he's paid a very good salary. As I say, you are just making things up, either to provoke argument or to prolong the thread.

No it doesn't. She just says it "wasn't appropriate". Why was it not appropriate and why did she think that she needed some special complaints procedure?

@Florianus Why was Johnson's wallpaper investigating as a breach of the Ministerial code and not either as an internal Tory party matter or by the parliamentary standards committee?

In fact it is a particularly interesting question as to why he didn't want it anywhere near the parliamentary standards committee.

Trilley:
What is true nonsense is the notion you are trying to put forward that the Prime Minister carries no responsibility for or control over what his ministers do, what legislation is put before Parliament, what the cabinet does, what the civil service does, what his PPS does, what the whips he appoints does, or, really, anything. .

Are you going to stop making up things that I have not said, or would you prefer me to make a complaint about you to the MN moderators? It is against the rules to misrepresent what other users have written.

@jgw1

No it doesn't. She just says it "wasn't appropriate". Why was it not appropriate and why did she think that she needed some special complaints procedure?

@Florianus Why was Johnson's wallpaper investigating as a breach of the Ministerial code and not either as an internal Tory party matter or by the parliamentary standards committee?

In fact it is a particularly interesting question as to why he didn't want it anywhere near the parliamentary standards committee.

jgw1: Why was Johnson's wallpaper investigating as a breach of the Ministerial code and not either as an internal Tory party matter or by the parliamentary standards committee

It was investigated by the the Electoral Commission because the donation for the job was improperly declared.

It wasn't an internal party matter.

Ghani states that she doesn't know whether the comments were made by Conservative party members. And therefore to quote David Allen Green "a party complaint investigation is not apt" as it falls within government business.

I wouldn't worry about the thread being unnecessarily prolonged - I'd hazard a guess it's likely to run for a while yet.

There’s no reason why it has to be. We could all ignore a particular poster and not respond to their attention seeking posts

Agreed. Discussions get nowhere anyway as they are so irrational, and pretty offensive with it.

@the80sweregreat

Oh god, not Gove PM and Prince Charles as King. .. please no ! I hope the Queen lives a few more years yet and it's anyone but Gove! ( not sure who though ?)

Yes. It's coming. Decades of political apathy and blind-eye turning means the UK will get what it deserves.

Lord Chief Backstabber is definitely slippery enough, and you will most certainly get HRH Taxdodger, even if the queen lives another decade.

@jgw1

Can we be sure that's rock bottom? There's still 22% who think he is doing well.

And who are these weirdos who "don't know" 😂

'Ghani states that she doesn't know whether the comments were made by Conservative party members'

Yes she doesn’t seem to know who said what. Be a tricky complaint for her to write won't it.

@ClaudineClare

Why has Michael Fabricant been so visible recently? It is quite strange.

I love it. He's harming the Tories.

Calling Ghani names now just backs up any claims she has that she was scared for her career and reputation if she pursued her claim